Outdoor Bar Build

Discussion in 'Home Bar' started by 7irondave, Apr 1, 2021.

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  1. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I've been following a lot of the threads here in the Home Bar forum for a while now.

    I've been planning a pool deck with a screenhouse and outdoor kitchen for a couple years now. Last year I was able to get started and built the deck leaving the finish work for this year.

    The outdoor kitchen will have a grill, kegerator and sink as well as a bar top to belly up to. I will need to have the grill and kegerator here so I can accurately build around them. The grill has been ordered and now onto the kegerator.

    I would like some feedback before I make the final purchase. I am not a home brewer and not an expert at draft systems so I appreciate the feedback many of you have left in other threads and any suggestions you may have here

    I'm going through BeverageFactory.com and have narrowed my search down to this Summit:
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    The height of this one will work better for my application. The grill height is 36" so this will work better than the other Summit at 49". I'll have to build a small platform to bring this up to height, but that isn't an issue with me. Will I come across any height issues with kegs? I expect to predominantly have 1/6 kegs inside
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    There are a couple upgrades I'm thinking of.

    1) Upgrading to a 14.5" tower. Thought process is so I can fill a growler or two so we can bring draft beer to a friend's house as another option or in addition to bringing cans

    2) Perlick flow control faucets. I can't find the thread now but I swear I read in one of these threads about filling growlers and the benefit of having the ability to adjust the flow to reduce foam
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    3) D System Keg Coupler with Ergonomic Handles. $9 more than the stock taps. Is this wasted $ going for these?
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    4) Dual regulators over the single gauge regulator that comes with it. Thought process is so I have control over both kegs in case there's a hoppy keg and a sour or stout in the other
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    I enjoy following others as they show progress of their home bars and will do the same here.

    Thanks in advance for any tips and advise you fellow BA's might share

    Cheers,
    Dave
     
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  2. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    I don't see any issues. Others might. I don't.

    All s/s is the way to go. Perlick Perls, yes. Flow control for growlers, certainly. Inserts for faucets are mandatory for outdoor exposure. Bees, fly's etc. love beer. A spray bottle of water helps at the end of the day too.

    Ergonomic handles? These handles are a bit shorter usually, and to be honest I never knew the standard handle to be not ergonomic. But they are s/s probe so that's good.

    Taller tower means more beer exposed to ambient so more difficult to control foam. Make sure the tower bolt pattern works for this kegerator and you might need to extend the tower air hose too. Still expect an ounce of foam initially. If you can get a growler filler tube it helps a lot, it goes into the faucet spout and fills from the bottom of the growler up (tremie). They have these specifically for the 650 Perl.

    That dual body reg is top heavy on a 5# cylinder, you'll want to mount the cylinder securely. And it will be tight if put inside the cooler.

    Otherwise congrats.
     
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  3. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Thanks for the advise @billandsuz . Hadn't thought about the faucet inserts. Thanks for that and the spray bottle tip.

    Will look for the growler fill tube too
     
  4. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Something like one of these?
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    The plug & brush sounds like the logical choice but the tap condom is so cheap, I might go with both and see which works best
     
  5. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    the plug may or may not work with the Perls. the spout is a bit different than the traditional faucet, and those rubber boots don't fit securely. but there are many different varieties. the long ones definitely do not stay in place.

    the brushes work quite well. the name brand is s/s and lasts forever for a few dollars. the no name is not s/s and the metal will rust. but you can buy 5.

    Cheers
     
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  6. meliscious

    meliscious Initiate (0) Mar 11, 2021 Washington

    sounds awesome!
    Pics when done!
     
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  7. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Short update here:

    I ordered with the BeverageFactory.com and have received everything. I modified my order thanks to suggestions here. Everything arrived a few weeks ago. I haven't put it together yet as I'm still working on the bar but everything is coming along

    We have an electrician scheduled to install power to the bar in a couple weeks. I am picking up a couple kegs this weekend and am planning on storing them in the kegerator (outside) powered with an extension cord. Will that be fine or would I be better storing them in my unfinished basement with temps in the 50's?

    When ordering I asked for (2) 6.5' beer lines. They gave me two 7' lines at no charge. Am I fine setting up with the 7' or should I shorten them?

    Anyway, I'm excited to finally be able to see light at the end of the tunnel

    :beers:
     
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  8. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    Great news.

    Careful with that extension cord, this thing draws more amps then you might expect and if your gauge is too light it will cook and possibly worse. I have seen it and it's not pretty. A short, heavy duty cord, 12 gauge, is probably safe but ask your electrician. Don't use some crappy lamp cord you find laying around.

    Keg beer must be kept cold at all times. Keg beer is not pasteurized. In fact, if your supplier has kegs stored ambient, go elsewhere. (Import kegs are pasteurized however, so that is different.) Around 50F is the cut off, but why risk beer spoilage?

    7' of 3/16" line is fine.

    Good luck.
    Draft Beers on the porch soon. Be aware that that a kegerator releases a pheromone that will attract every dude in the neighborhood. And people have no problem drinking your free beer if you let them.

    Cheers
     
  9. Effinwill

    Effinwill Crusader (433) Dec 2, 2016 California

    Kegs at home also lead to weight gain
     
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  10. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Looking for opinions and suggestions here

    I'm having a hard time finding anyplace around me that will refill my tank. Seems most places just do tank swaps. I'd hate to bring in a new unused tank just to swap it out with another.

    I guess my question is, do I just say fuck it and swap the tank out and get it out of the way? Do I pay the deposit from one of these places and get a filled tank till I can find a place to fill mine? What have you guys/gals done?

    The two places closest to me (3 minutes & 7 - 10 minutes) both swap only fwiw

    Cheers & happy Friday
     
  11. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Where in Massachusetts are you? There's a place in Marlborough that does fills, Fire Extinguisher supply. Another in I thinkn Weston - on rt 117 just west of 128, that does as well - I think they're also fire extinguisher supple / service.
    I've heard of others but I don't remember names or locations.
     
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  12. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Chelmsford. Marlborough isn't a bad drive as it gives me an excuse to go to Medusa after.

    Thanks for the help. :beers:
     
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  13. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    You are probably going to bite it and just exchange. The usuals around here will always advise for you to not buy a new empty tank for this reason. However...

    • Ask for a shiny new aluminum tank when you exchange. If the clerk is cool they have no problem picking something clean.
    • Aside from the initial disappointment, nobody really cares about the tank. You'll get over it. Aluminum or steel, it does not matter. The steel will leave a rust ring and you'll be surprised how quickly you do not give a shit.
    • Tanks need to be recertified occasionally. @PortLargo is the gas expert and would know off the top of his head, but essentially if you own a tank you'll need to have it recertified eventually. If the supplier owns the tank, they need to recertify as needed.
    • Ask about opening an account with your Airgas supplier or wherever you go. We found the walk in price is substantially higher than the established customer price, so it is worth asking. Developing a relationship with a supplier can pay off. You'll be seeing this desk clerk a few times a year.
    • If you can exchange your 5 pound tank, and it lives outside your cooler, upgrade to a 10 or 20 pounder. The tank cost is incremental and the gas cost is vanishing, so it does pay to have a bigger tank. But you can't squeeze anything other than a 5 pound tank in a kegerator.
    • Having a back up is advisable, as the gas runs out the night of the big event, guaranteed. And you can't get a refill 5 pm Saturday night.
    Cheers
     
  14. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I know I'd eventually buy a backup tank so I pulled the trigger on the backup today. I still have my new tank and will fill it at one of the spots @JrGtr told me about. I'm too stubborn to give up on the new tank

    I've read in multiple threads including this one about the tanks rusting the inside of the kegerator. I have some plexiglass scraps laying around so I cut a ring a little bigger than the base of the tank in an effort to prevent the rust from staining the unit.

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    I guess time will tell if this works. I really hope it does. I'd rather cut a new ring than look at a rust stain every time I open the door. I know it wouldn't effect the performance of the unit, I'm just a little mental (so my wife tells me) about certain things.

    The unit has been put together and the kegs are on ice until the temp drops enough to put the kegs in. Now time for a victory beer

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    Light Between Us by Deciduous
     
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  15. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I just couldn't wait till tomorrow . . .

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    The Substance by Bissell Brothers
     
  16. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    There's a Victory Brewing joke there somewhere - Hop Devil, Golden Monkey, etc.
     
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  17. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Lol. I didn't even pick up on that when I posted. Good catch :beers:
     
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  18. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Rust is the easiest problem to fix . . . just use aluminum tanks. One of the first symbols on the neck of your cylinder will be DOT3AA which means steel tank. When exchanging look for DOT3AL (aluminum), or just take a magnet with you. Steel tanks suck. They are heavier, rust, and if left untreated will become condemned to the scrap heap. The only advantage is they are a tad cheaper.

    Your new tank will require a hydrostatic (hydro) test every five years. Somewhere on the neck is the date of mfg and it will look something like 03_21 for March, 2021. No dealer will fill after this expiration. A new hydro test is $25 - 40, just depends on competition in your area. Your fill station can do the test or refer you to someone who can. If you want to game the system, wait until a few months before expiration and turn it in to an exchange (while it's still current). Or be a contrarian like me (two tanks on exchange, one on re-fill).

    Here's a link to the markings on your tank. After hydro date the next most important number is the tare weight . . . this is how you know you are about to run out. If unfamiliar with liquid/gaseous conversions, this post explains it better than I can:
    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/how-many-kegs.276617/#post-3497275

    BTW, good looking pours . . . bask in the glory.
     
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  19. matthewp

    matthewp Pundit (856) Feb 27, 2015 Massachusetts
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    Did you pick up those kegs locally or in Maine?
     
  20. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    Maine

    I emailed a few breweries about kegs. Most just came right out and said they are not selling kegs for curbside. HF said they are
    . Bissell said they do not sell kegs T curbside but referred me to a couple local (to them) stores that could help me. They mentioned Bier Cellar or RSVP.

    I reached out to RSVP via email. They were easy to work with and were able to order both for me.
     
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