Oxbow's Contract-brewed Beers

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    It used to be from Industrial Arts. Did they switch?
     
  2. shkin

    shkin Maven (1,305) Feb 6, 2011 New York

    Contact brewing at Industrial Arts was a while ago. Threes no longer shows the name of the brewery it contracted, but on the Vliet cans, the address is of Jack's Abby. Their newest Surprise, Surprise IPA shows the address of the SingleCut North. There might be other breweries too.
     
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  3. Dirtnap666

    Dirtnap666 Initiate (72) Feb 10, 2023 New Hampshire

    But can we talk about their slogan “farmhouse ales”. They clearly aren’t brewed “to style” now. Does the that tradition/ style guidelines mean nothing? Should they be able to still claim that? That’s my qualm with contract. Brewing historically had brands/breweries subject themselves to the land. How can you have any integrity claiming farmhouse when your beer is brewed in a factory
     
  4. dwmetsfan13

    dwmetsfan13 Pundit (784) Jul 22, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I'm fairly naive about brewing beyond with in my basement with a bucket, but is that always the case? Couldn't one brewery be good at developing recipes but lack the quality control and whatever other processes to successfully execute?
     
  5. brettanomyces420

    brettanomyces420 Crusader (429) Nov 30, 2023 Massachusetts
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    Absolutely. Beer-making is, both now and historically, a complicated process that involves collaborations and off-site work at every step of the process. Everyone's gonna have their own strengths and weaknesses. Brewers used to malt their own grain - a time-consuming step that could contribute a lot to the quality of the end product. I'm sure some 1600s nerd like myself bemoaned that breweries weren't malting their grain anymore. Similarly, many (most?) lambic breweries don't produce their own wort, opting instead to purchase it from larger operations before blending and aging. In the liquor world, many producers don't do their own distilling, opting to purchase grain alcohol on the open market and age and blend it.

    What's my rambling point? Oh yeah, that there's lots of ways to offload certain steps in the beermaking process. Lots of ways to skin a cat. Ideally, from an end-consumer standpoint, brewing operations find the optimal way to put great beer in our hands, for the best price. Not everyone's good at everything!

    But, I'm still sad Luppulo isn't as good as it was two years ago.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Amen to that!

    Cheers!
     
  7. shkin

    shkin Maven (1,305) Feb 6, 2011 New York

    This is possible, hence the caveat of the breweries that don't have the means to brew the beers themselves. This is not the case for Oxbow, who decided to outsource an existing high-quality beer, which inevitably worsens it.
     
  8. shkin

    shkin Maven (1,305) Feb 6, 2011 New York

    Out of curiosity, checked a few other Threes cans at the store — some brewed at SingleCut, but most are brewed at Jack's Abby, including a WCIPA.
     
  9. beardown2489

    beardown2489 Pooh-Bah (1,966) Oct 5, 2012 Illinois
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    Cool story I heard told by a Firestone walker sales rep. Years back, when Russian River was planning their expansion, they learned they would have some time without tanks. Russian River called FW for a favor. Firestone Walker took on the responsibility of brewing Pliny until it could be brewed in the new facility. Apparently it can be done. Nobody knew a thing, I never saw a thread about Pliny tasting wrong or different. FW had successfully cloned the most storied ipa in California. Point being, it can be done. But it’s gotta be brewed by experts and on systems that allow for precision
     
  10. Jbrews

    Jbrews Pooh-Bah (2,214) Aug 6, 2013 New Hampshire
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    This, right here. It’s usually not and kind of the opposite. Definitely possible though
     
  11. brenduune

    brenduune Aspirant (299) Dec 2, 2013 New York

    Almost certain the farmhouse ales are brewed in Newcastle and barrel aged in Portland so you’re safe. No factory on your farmhouse.
     
  12. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    Right. And the in house Double Sunshine is so much better.
     
  13. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    But it was Pliny. Few drinkers would have the palates or the balls to say it was different. What I know of FW suggests it was close to the original, but it can't have been exactly the same.
     
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