Oxidation?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Stroso, Apr 21, 2013.

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  1. Stroso

    Stroso Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2006 Washington

    I'm fairly new to homebrewing, and have learned the benefit (ahem, the absolute necessity ) of cleanliness, but my recent all grain batches have been coming out wrong, like cardboard general nasty taste wrong. I'm religious in my sanitation now, about the only thing I can think that's going wrong is oxidation? I noticed that after racking to the secondary, I have about 1/4 gallon headspace in a one gallon jug (for what is starting out as a one gallon batch), I'm pegging that as the culprit, but can that much room really make a good beer go bad?

    I'm thinking of upping my batch size to 1.5 gallons, can't think of what else to do?

    Anyway, I'm getting pretty frustrated any inputs would be helpful. Thanks!
     
  2. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Stop racking to a 2ndary and see if it changes the outcome.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    +1 to what HerbMeowing stated: eliminate the transfer to a secondary.

    Please report back whether this helps for your next batch(es).

    Cheers!
     
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  4. Stroso

    Stroso Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2006 Washington

    Thanks guys! I'll do as prescribed.
     
  5. jmich24

    jmich24 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    You could also be associating chorine/chloramine in the water, to this off flavor, although it comes off to me more plasticy. Treating all water in your brew day with Camden Tablets 1/4 per 5 gallons. I could be way off base, but it is worth mentioning.
     
  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    As said above, you can just use a primary. You can dry hop in primary with great results too. I also wonder if you transfer into a bottling bucket and what kind of timeframe the beer was sitting in your secondary with the headspace. Also, oxidation is probably more noticable in a lighter style, and especially a hoppier beer. If you want to build your confidence next round, a dry stout or a porter should be next on your list.
     
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  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I'm starting to wonder why beginners take all the advice on these threads and then ignore the conventional wisdom here that secondaries are just not necessary unless bulk conditioning bigger beers/sours for months/years.
     
  8. Stroso

    Stroso Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2006 Washington

    Thanks for the input inchrisin, I'll find a good dry stout recipe to make next round.

    GreenKrusty101, oldish habits die hard I guess. I experimented with just keeping the brew in the primary, but this last batch came out at 1.080 OG, so I wasn't sure if it needed more time than a month to finish conditioning. What's the rule of thumb for secondaries as a function of OG?

    At any rate, I'm definitely going to be skipping secondaries from now on, until I'm more confident to move into the big boys arena.
     
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    the majority of the kits out there suggest a secondary, as do most of the books that we all suggest as reading material. I still use a secondary and have had no problems. I popped open my second homebrew ever last night, a wheat beer I brewed last summer, and there was still no signs of oxidation.
     
  10. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    I never tranfer beer into a container unless I have taken measures to greatly reduce exposure to o2. If you have any chem lab training, use it. We often use co2 to displace oxygen. If handled properly, you have no need to fear as many transfers as you feel are necessary.
     
  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    "If handled properly"

    That's a big "if" for a rookie and even for the cavalier types like myself.

    I guess I'm just lazy, but when I rack, I drain to a purged keg 99% of the time.
     
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