PA beer distributor 12-pack sales... good or bad?

Discussion in 'New England' started by NeroFiddled, Aug 26, 2015.

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Are PA beer distributor 12-packs sales good or bad?

Poll closed Sep 2, 2015.
  1. Great, I can now buy a half-case instead of a whole one!

    51.5%
  2. Why bother with a half-case? I can just go to a bottle shop and get individual bottles.

    9.1%
  3. Why don't PA beer distributors sell 6-packs? I can just get a sixer at my grocery store?

    27.3%
  4. No, beer distributors sell beer for less than other outlets, but up-charge for 12 packs.

    21.2%
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  1. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    PA is a weird state for beer, so it's really just PA residents that I'm asking here. Will distributors being allowed to sell 12-packs be a good thing or a bad thing in the end?
     
  2. Greeny87

    Greeny87 Initiate (0) May 23, 2011 Pennsylvania

    More options are always better. I'd love to buy 6 packs, 12 packs or a case depending on the beer.
     
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  3. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Definitely a good thing. Options are always better
     
  4. pinyin

    pinyin Savant (1,119) Sep 19, 2013 New York

    My local distributor gets fresher newer product, moreso than my local Weiss, so it is nice to be able to procure Sole Clink or Neshaminny Creek in 12 packs, but the distributor doesn't seem to get the special interest Victory or Weyerbacher releases like Saison Du Buff or Sunday Morning Stout like Wegman's does.

    Not thrilled at the fact that I have to drive or ride 25 miles to Lehigh Valley to buy limited release or seasonal 4 packs or 22 ounce bombers, as we don't have any reputable bottle shops here yet the Poconos.

    Pennsylvania still has a long way to go to straighten out their logistics issues with alcohol licensure and distribution.
     
  5. mybeerbuzz

    mybeerbuzz Aspirant (229) Mar 31, 2008 Pennsylvania

    Better. We get more variety, it makes me more likely to try something I may not like (without shopping for a sixer) and at least for now, the stock we're seeing is much fresher.
     
  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I've seen a good number of 12 packs now available in my local stores. I've picked up a couple, and happy with the new rules
     
  7. barflybastard

    barflybastard Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Agree that options are good, but it really hasn't affected my purchasing since its inception. Usually grabbing a growler, a sixer or a whole case. Think the price points on twelve packs are poop, at least with growlers I'm getting something straight from the source.
     
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  8. PSU_Mike

    PSU_Mike Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2013 Pennsylvania

    A small step in the right direction...a very, very small step. PA liquor laws need massive reform and overhaul.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  10. Dweedlebug

    Dweedlebug Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2012 Pennsylvania

    It's an improvement, I guess. Seems mostly pointless at this juncture though. Just let everyone sell the quantities they want to sell. Why is that such a big problem? You would think the state would be interested in selling a whole bunch of liquor licenses to places like Sheets, Giant, wise etc. Never understood the limiting of licenses. It's an untapped goldmine.
     
  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    If the politicians really had the best interests of the public in mind, it wouldn't be a problem.

    But the politicians are making their decisions with money in their pockets from the lobbying organizations representing the different parties. The beer distributors don't want to lose their monopoly on case sales. The bars don't want to lose their monopoly on six-packs and singles. Neither group wants to give up any turf to the grocery stores and convenience stores.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A number of reasons but I will list two:

    1. By limiting the number of licenses it placates special interest groups like MADD; for them less licenses correlates to them that less alcohol is being sold/consumed.

    2. Limited licenses benefit the existing license holders – less competition

    Cheers!
     
  13. Dweedlebug

    Dweedlebug Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2012 Pennsylvania


    And none of those are actual reason to limit licenses. The state needs money. Selling licenses to people that want them would generate a lot of income. I couldn't possibly care less about MADD's faulty logic or the wants of the current license holders. They are restricting the economy.
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “I couldn't possibly care less about MADD's faulty logic or the wants of the current license holders.” But the PA politicians do.

    “They are restricting the economy. “ Yup, and that serves the special interests that provide campaign contributions.

    I would recommend that you contact your legislators with your concern. Maybe you can make a difference here.

    I have contacted both of my legislators on the topic of reforming the PA alcohol laws but they are both Democrats; they have both politely informed me to ‘get lost’.

    Cheers!
     
  15. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Good points across the board, and I appreciate the variety as well, but I have three more thoughts.

    1. Only breweries that have the capability, money, and space to produce 12 packs can get in on it (essentially requiring smaller breweries to add 12-pack packaging to their line-up - the one's that don't have the resources to do so).

    2. 12-packs cost more than just a mother case with a divider (so won't those breweries just stop selling "whole" cases?, at an additional cost to us). And why would a distributor want to take up space for those when he's selling 12-packs already?

    3. if the distributor is making an extra 10% by selling 12-packs, and doing well, why not increase the price on the full case by 5%? Or even just eliminate the "discount" for buying the whole case? I unfortunately feel that will happen, and prices will rise across the board for good beer.
     
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