"Partigyle" Gravity Expectations

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  1. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    I am brewing a regular 5 gal batch this weekend about 10 lbs of grain, 14 quarts strike, 17 quarts of batch sparge, gonna hit 1.057 OG if I get my desired efficency. I want to throw in another batch of sparge water afterwords to get all I can out of the grains and make a beer with whatever's left. How much water should I use in your opinion and what do you think the resulting OG would be? Could be anywhere from 2 - 4 gallons final product. Thanks.
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    It's hard to give you an approximation due to the many, many variables. However, are you expecting something like 80% efficiency...because that's what a cursory look at the numbers would indicate.

    If you were to get 80% efficiency...and depending on how well your sparge goes...I don't see how you'll be able to make much of a beer with the second sparge.
     
  3. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Yea I wouldn't partigyle if your first beer is gonna be that low. Last may I did a partigyle batch with a friend. We did a 120 minute boil on the first beer (1.100OG). 2nd runnings beer ended up at 1.047.

    If you wanna partigyle this batch them cap the mash with more grains to avoid making a super low gravity tannin bomb.

    After writing that I see your okay with a low volume on your second beer. Youl be pretty lucky to get a preboil OG greater than 1.030 on 2 gallons of "extra" wort. I often will run my mash tun dry after my last (batch) sparge and the gravity is usually around 1.030 but I never get a full gallon.
     
  4. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    Your OG and batch size are to low for a decent second runnings beer, but if you put 1-1.5 gallons in there you can get some free starter wort. That is what I do.

    If you want to parti then figure it out for a 10 gallon batch. Here is a handy online calc that works for the half and half split. I have not used it for the one third two thirds split.
     
  5. beui

    beui Aspirant (275) Nov 3, 2009 Pennsylvania

  6. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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  7. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    What you'll most likely get is a lot of tannins and a grainy, bland beer.

    Personal advice, as most have suggested above, brew a bigger beer for your first batch to actually have sugar left to extract from the mash after sparging. If thats not in the cards, cap the mash with some extra basemalt and character malts after sparging, and do a second mash or actually blend the two gyles to make something that resembles beer in the second batch. Either way, do yourself a favor and make sure you have some extract on hand to bolster the gravity of the second beer.
     
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  8. DrewBeechum

    DrewBeechum Pooh-Bah (1,954) Mar 15, 2003 California
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    Quick rule of thumb that I pulled from Mosher and company:

    The first half of your runnings will have 2/3rds of the sugar, the second half - 1/3

    So if you're making 10 gallons of beer that if collected normally would yield a beer at 1.050 you would see this:

    Total gravity points = 500 (10*50)
    1st 5 gallons = 335 gp / 5 = 1.067
    2nd 5 gallons = 165 gp / 5 = 1.033
     
  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    OP: You might want to state whether you are a batch sparger or a fly sparger. You're getting advice on both, and it's not interchangeable.
     
  10. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    Thanks all. I'm not going to waste my time with such a small amount of grain on this one...
     
  11. beer272

    beer272 Initiate (0) Sep 23, 2009 New Jersey

    I partigyle. First runnings with ~66% of sugar is a nice strong guy. Then have capped or tossed in a < half # of different specialty malts (aromatic, melanoidin, Special B) to the second run (66% of the 33% left :wink:

    Result one monster beer (high ABV), one session beer I can have sooner :slight_smile:
     
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