Partigyle Possibility

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  1. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Tomorrow I'm doing a Belgian Tripel and really debating doing a second runnings batch.
    11lbs. 14.2oz Belgian Pils
    2lbs 9.1oz Caravienne
    10.7oz Aromatic
    10.7oz Honey Malt

    Wondering what to do if I do a partigyle. First time I really have no idea what to do next! Any help appreciated!
     
  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Have you seen this before? http://braukaiser.com/wiki/index.php?title=Batch_Sparge_and_Party_Gyle_Simulator

    here is an idea http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/anyone-try-belgian-partigyle-heres-my-plan-374240/

    I have only done a partigyle a couple of times, I seem to come out a little low for the first gyle and high for the second gyle, but Kai's simulator is pretty accurate. From a process point of view, you are just boiling your sparge separate from your mash liquor, very easy if you are used to batch sparging.
     
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  3. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I would say experiment with hops, spices, and/or yeast.

    The suggestions linked to above look pretty good. But my experience is it makes a very busy brewday. I have morphed into making a 1-2 gallon second runnings and I tend to break a few guidelines. Your grain bill would be excellent to experiment on the second batch by adding spices/hops. Something like corriander or high aroma hops (Mosiac, Citra?). Call it a spiced Belgian pale ale or ipa or both. Also, it is not carved in stone that the second runnings must be last (can be in the middle).

    If the only change is late additions it is possible to do a common boil, then separate the second batch from kettle and add a whirlpool addition. My last batch I experimented with yeast . . . used three different Belgians yeasts in four different fermenters, this is not a true partigyle but you get the idea of possibilities. When completed, I will know which of 3522, 3944, or DuPont gives the best results.
     
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  4. surfbouy

    surfbouy Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2014 Oregon

    I do parti-gyle for every brew and can tell you the possibilities are nearly endless.

    Generally, for a 12 gallon batch and a 50/50 split I enter the recipe for my main batch into Beer Smith, and then make a separate recipe calculating roughly 1/3 of the gain bill/gravity points for the parti-gyle batch. This will give you a ballpark estimate for your hop additions and an idea of what, if anything, you’d like to add.
    Even just adding a different strain of yeast will give you a different tasting beer from the same mash.
    Good luck, and let us know what happens!
     
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  5. surfbouy

    surfbouy Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2014 Oregon

    I would also add that you’ll want to be careful to not over sparge, or sparge to hot. It will extract tannins from the grain and ruin your parti-gyle.
     
  6. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I really like to "cap" my second runnings by cold steeping some additional milled specialty grains overnight, straining them on brew day, and tossing the liquid into the 2nd runnings boil kettle (towards the end of the boil). Adds some additional color and flavor to your 2nd runnings beer. The cap also allows you to add other grain types that weren't required / desired in the first beer and change your second beer a bit if that appeals to you.
     
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  7. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Well it was only my third AG batch I've done. Had to let the mash go for a lot longer than I hoped for conversion but I hit my SG dead nuts. Really happy about that. Didn't have a second pot to do the partigyle but I really wish I could've done it. Could've got a nice American Blonde with the Cry Havoc yeast my buddy washed. Always next time!!
     
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  8. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    The Belgian Pale was what I was thinking, but also didnt have any extra hops. Damn.....
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    For the future, you don't need a 2nd pot. Just leave the 2nd runnings in the mash tun until you are done with the 1st runnings.
     
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  10. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    .....And this is why I post here... Where were you 24 hours ago?!?! HAHA!
     
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