Peach Pale Ale - NZ hops?

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  1. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    This weekend I harvested a big bucket worth of peaches from one of our fruit trees, and plan on using some of the peaches to brew a beer.

    I'm not into sours, wheat beers, or saisons, which are usually the first choices for fruit additions. So I'm thinking about doing a hoppy pale ale and use fruity hops and yeast that will help accentuate the mild peach flavor/aroma.
    I've read that typically you need a pound or two of peaches per gallon to have any chance of the flavor coming through, so I plan to use probably ~7.5 pounds added in secondary, for a 5 gallon batch.

    I'm thinking a basic pale ale grain bill of
    11 lb Pale Malt
    0.5 lb Crystal 20
    0.5 lb Carapils
    And using London Ale III (Wyeast 1318) yeast.

    I was thinking of using one or more of the New Zealand hop varieties, as some of them are described as being fruity. But I've never used any of them before - so any suggestions?
     
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  2. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I would start here. http://www.nzhops.co.nz/hop-varieties

    I've used quite a few NZ hops but I don't have my notes in front of me. I'll post some suggestions when I get home.

    From the chart, these look interesting:
    Pacific Gem
    Pacific Jade
    Rakau

    Motueka - I have used this recently. Floral like Hallertau but if you have ever smelt magnolia blossoms, it smells and taste like they were steeped in the beer.
     
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  3. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks - from what I previously read I was considering Rakau or Wai-iti.
     
  4. Hogue2112

    Hogue2112 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2016 Ohio

    I really like these hops. I use them in my Lemon-Lime Hefe, adds a real punch of lemon in this beer!
     
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    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I've used waiiti. It is subtle. Consider using double
     
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    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Pacific gem and throw in some black pepper corn to give a subtle black pepper note would make for a very complementary flavor for both the hop and the peaches. I'd go light on the bittering hops and leave some residual sweetness to the beer.
     
  7. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    So not as bold as US fruity hops like Citra or Amarillo?
     
  8. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Not even close. I used it 2-3 years ago in a wit. It was not nearly as expected from reading the description when you buy it.
     
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  9. MarkGP

    MarkGP Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Rhode Island

    I have made a few peach pale ales some sour, some brett, some sacch. I have experimented with several hop varieties and have found Nelson Sauvin and Falconer's Flight to work the best with all versions for making the peach flavor come through. I would also suggest closer to 2 pounds per gallon and/or adding some apricot.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have brewed with hops that did not match the advertised descriptions many times. Needless to say but there are lots of variables when it comes to achieved hop flavor/aroma:

    · Year to year harvest variations

    · Farm to farm variations

    · When were the hops harvested (early vs. late harvesting)

    · How were the hops handled/stored

    · How were the hops used in the brewing process, amounts and when added

    · Beer style

    · Personal palate variations

    · Etc.

    I have come to the point that I take published flavor descriptions of hop varieties with a big grain of salt.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I don't think my LHBS has Falconer's Flight available but maybe I can use a combo of Citra, Amarillo, and Simcoe.

    Did you typically add in secondary? How did you prep?

    I was thinking about just de-pitting them and blending them up in a food processor with some vodka to sanitize.
     
  12. MarkGP

    MarkGP Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Rhode Island

    Cut them up and freeze to break down cell structure. Then mash or puree and add in primary or secondary.
     
  13. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    No sanitation? I'm concerned about wild yeasts on the fresh fruit.
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  15. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    Not NZ but Aussie Galaxy will make those peaches POP
     
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  16. MarkGP

    MarkGP Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2015 Rhode Island

    As the article states freezing kills off mostly everything. I have never sanitized fruit and have never gotten an infection but if you don't feel that the method described is safe then feel free to sanitize them.
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The other option to sanitize peaches is to pasteurize them.

    Cheers!
     
  18. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I'm not set on NZ hops, it was just my initial idea. I saw Galaxy mentioned on another site.

    Have you brewed a similar beer?
     
  19. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    I haven't brewed with peaches, but I have brewed a Galaxy APA with WLP644. I got a lot of stone fruit from the Galaxy. I bitter with magnum, flameout, whirlpool, and dry hopped with galaxy. Probably my best beer to date
     
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    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    so my LHBS was out of Galaxy, so on the advice of the guys at the shop I went with Azacca, and Imperial Yeast A04 Barbarian which is supposed to produce stone fruit esters.

    I bittered to 40 IBU with some homegrown Nugget hops, used 1 oz Azacca at flameout, and will dry hop with 1 oz of Azacca after the peaches. I prepped about 8 pounds of peaches for adding in secondary.

    I'll let y'all know how it turns out.
     
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