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Discussion in 'Great Lakes' started by Gambyt20, Jan 1, 2020.
Untappd with its 4.06 be damned, I rather enjoyed Abstract Technicality.
Gosh, I am not sure about that. Based on sales, my friend's experiences and my own personal experiences; the NE IPA's have been top tier. I can't think of one brewery other than More or Corridor that I would even consider picking a 4-pack over them (and of course those are not distributed).
They’re not bad, and for the local market I agree they’re up there as a go to. I should have been more clear, I was more referring to their national appeal. I don’t see many people trading for P3 hops...
I agree. I wasn't a fan of any of his previous DIPAs before the last two. I definitely think he's finally dialing it in. I'll admit he's starting to convert me. Maybe some of the lower ratings are those that feel its a bit too green. Which is the way I prefer them.
You not mentioning Hop Butcher makes me wonder about you...
I'm still convinced that people who whine about mikerphone constantly, haven't actually drank any of their beer in the last year.
I have. And they all sucked.
Yeah you clearly have no bias at all
Last beer I bought from them was BA bean spirit and the maple variant. I had it and thought "if this mediocre beer is the premier beer they make and I have to get to elk grove for it, Its not worth it." Havent been back since, but Ill still go to their festival since they pull the best crowd in chicago
If any P3 dropped an imperial bean spirit variant and called it something else, everyone here who whines about Miker in non mikerphone threads would be circle jerking about how incredible it is.
People still trade haze?
I dont speak for other people, I speak for myself. I think they make average beer at top tier prices in an inconvenient location for me. And even if youre right, you should be happy. Easy access and no secondary to as much Mikerphone as you want. Cheer up, bud.
What's my bias if I genuinely think their beer is over hyped and just not of good quality?
Yeah, I have to LOL a little bit about P3 fans trashing Mikerphone. Mike routinely puts out IPAs that are better than any IPA I've ever tried from P3, most of which have been average or worse. Maybe things will be different once Shaun gets it dialed in like he did at More, but I'm not even going to bother buying P3 IPAs any more until he does.
Pressed, on the other hand, is awesome.
Lets get it straight. P3 and Mikerphone both put out very average IPAs.
How is anything they make overhyped? It is one of the easiest beers to get for any release they do...
I got a Pressed and a Lost in the Moment today. Having the Lost in the Moment now and must say I am loving it. I am really pleased to see them putting out just a very tasty American IPA. I get some piney west coast vibes while also getting a smooth finish. Really nice beer.
Lot of revisionist history on P3 IPA's. Protocol might be the worst craft IPA I had in 2019, but apparently they only pump out bangers. I think they have vastly improved but I would still take just about every Mikerphone IPA over theirs.
I would absolutely love to do a blind taste test with all these beers. the results would warm my cold black heart.
And yes, pressed is a top tier beer for me. It's by far their best work. I think Curvature is pretty average compared to Shauns past stouts.
Eh I both agree and disagree.
I have never been blown away by any of Mike's stouts, and especially not his BA stouts. Yes it wasn't Phase 3 but the beers I had from Shaun at FOBAB were truly exceptional. I tried some of his regular More stouts and found them good but not worth the hype. Every Pressed I've had has been excellent. Mike's stouts range from good to below average to me, I've had some truly bad stuff from him.
The IPAs are hard to judge for me. Some of the best IPAs I've ever had were from Mike like 4 years ago but I can't say anything I've had from him over the past couple years have replicated that. By the same token, I've not had enough More/P3 IPAs to really judge but what I have had has not been exceptional (although I really do like the Lost in the Moment I'm having now).
People see what they want in these breweries a lot of the time and with the volume of different SKUs they push out it's really hard to judge who is "better" since it's not like we are evaluating 3-4 core offerings.
I think a lot of the hate Mikerphone gets comes down to their borderline obnoxious pricing and the gimmick beers they push. Their oxidation issues didn't help either.
I know I probably come off as a Mikerphone fanboy, but I don't think everything they do is great (or even good). I do think their best is better than most breweries' best though.
Gonna sum this one up:
Mikerphone and P3 make average IPA’s in a market where competition is high. Mikerphones IPA’s have infection or “off flavors” about 5 days after canning. P3’s IPA’s hold a descent shelf life.
Shaun knows how to make world class stouts; both barrel aged and non barrel aged. However some would say his Pressed series, even though a porter, may be better than his Curvature offerings.
Mike’s stouts are mediocre at best and he charges an arm and a leg for them. He collabs on a TON of stouts because he can’t brew a descent one by himself. Also shelf life on his stouts is probably a month if you’re lucky. Most of his offerings are pretty one dimensional and lack any complexity.
Pixel Density still tastes great to me. Glad this is their "flagship" IPA.
I suppose you are one of those that believe Chicago haze holds up to all the national hyped ones? Spare me the Hop Butcher lactose bombs
The Pixel Density cans I picked up yesterday are just stellar. The mouth feel is on point, the Citra hops are really shining through, and the rind-y, citrus notes just keep coming.
People who like sweeter IPAs may think this is a little "green" right now, but I'd gladly drink all 4 of these cans at this stage. If you like your NE IPAs on the bitter side, like myself, I highly suggest this batch.
You realize he collabs with a ton of people because it gets his brand out there to people that wouldn't normally have it, right? You don't actually believe that he does this because he's some monkey that can't brew on his own, right?
This is the craft beer equivalent of someone saying "WhY iS thE prEsIdEnT GoLfInG wHeN We hAvE A tOn Of PrObLeMs tO FiX"
Imperial bean spirit is one of his best beers. I can't even remember a stout that he collabed with someone on that people were raving about.
The funniest part about this logic is you will just always give the other brewery credit, no matter where it is brewed and regardless of it being good or not, you will just say "see? he only makes good stuff when he collabs!!!"
But yeah, I agree with everything you are saying. Mikerphone hate has gotten way, way beyond anything that can be considered rational.
Question for the locals, how much are the pressed variants and typical allotments? I believe they come in 2 packs, right?
I can't like this post enough times.
Most recent Pressed $12.99/2pk. I think there was a (2) 2pk limit on Wednesday at the brewery.
you have to be an employee, nobody has this much passion for defending something they’re not invested in (and mikerphone doesn’t have membership).
I'm not sure what your point is, people aren't rational beings about most things in their lives, let alone the beer they drink. All things considered (high pricing, inconsistent quality, oxidation issues, gimmicky beers which are fun to shit on) the Mikerphone feelings here actually fairly rational. People can like their beer and people can find their whole approach a bit silly. It's fine.
This pretty much describes me. I like some of his beer - the last Poetic Hustler can I had was great and would absolutely buy it again. Also dislike a lot of his beer - I just don't like any Bean Spirit I've ever had. The overly roasty and overly mapley combo just does nothing for me. And the gimmicks are a bit much for me.
Your response is about as infected as Mike’s beers. Pretty prettttty pretttttyyyyyyy sour.
I probably have a mikerphone beer at most once a month, and that’s probably generous. Which is probably more beer than the combined total of the 3 or 4 people who circlejerk how bad they are
Your last part is pretty dead on. When his collaboration stouts are good, big if, it’s usually because of the other brewer. But he takes great photos of throwing random trash in the tun so I’ll give mike, I mean you, credit.
Now all the beers are infected? Man you find something new to make up every reply
you realize how ridiculous it is to say that with certainty as if you watch them brew lol. You have no idea who is contributing what to the recipe
Yea... it’s weird that people that think Mikerphone makes bad beer (or over priced or in a bad format) don’t drink it more often
You must either have an equity in the brewery, be an employee, or your Mike’s side piece because no one defends a brewery who has put out as much shitty and overpriced beer as you do.