Pilsner Fermentation...HELP!

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  1. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    Okay so...

    I'm two weeks into primary fermentation and I think I've made a mistake. I was under the assumption that I needed to put my beer in the fridge straight out the gate. I don't think the beer has been able to have any primary fermentation action due to the low temp (it's around 42 degrees). What should my next steps be? I took the lid off to check it out and didn't see any ring around the top of the bucket. This batch has kind of been a shit show and I don't want to throw it out unless there is no way of saving it at this point. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Does the wort still taste and smell okay?
    If so, warm it up to about 50F and see what happens. My guess is that this batch can be salvaged. It may have picked up some oxidation (if the yeast were not actively using the oxygen), but who knows...if it's bad, you'll be able to taste it.

    ETA: What yeast strain are you using? I assumed a lager strain, since you said it's a Pilsner. If it's not, you'll probably want to warm it up into the low to mid 60s, depending.
     
  3. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    The wort smelled fine, nothing funky going on there. I didn't taste it yet...I could give that a shot. I'm using White Lab's WL800 Pilsner Lager yeast.
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's good. 50F would be about right.
     
  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yeah, warm it up a bit, perhaps closer to the middle or upper range of your suggested temp, and see if it takes off or starts doing something.

    If it does, I'd slowly at this point back the temp down a bit on it to the lower end, and let it ride out. Like Vikeman says, if you have a problem, in a week or two, you should be able to taste it.
     
  6. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    So it is an option to bring it up in temperature? I guess I thought since it has already been cold there is no coming back from that. How long would you suggest that I let it ferment outside of the fridge?
     
  7. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Can you adjust your fridge to a warmer temp?

    I wouldn't leave it out to free ride to ambient, but you could do so until you see some activity. I just wouldn't want to let it go wild, and then end up chilling it back down too quickly.
     
  8. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    Yeah I could change the temp of the fridge, something like 50 degrees like VikeMan suggested?
     
  9. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yeah, he made a good temp suggestion. 50-55 would be your temp range for that yeast. You could bump it warmer if you wanted, maybe 52* at best, and see what happens.

    Taste the wort/beer though and see what you have first.
     
  10. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    Okay, I'll do that. How long should I let this go on before lowering the temp again?
     
  11. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    You could ferment at that temp if you'd like.. You are within the range of the yeast's temp, so 50-55, I would keep it under 52* myself.

    Keep in mind, once fermentation starts up, your temp will rise, so don't trust the 50* ambient to be the beer temp. You'd be closer to 55-58* with it at 50*.
     
  12. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    Oh, so stay at or around 52F for the rest of the time? Maybe for two more weeks?
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Until it's done. Do you have a hydrometer?
     
  14. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    Not personally, but I'm part of a brewers guild in my area so I'm sure someone has one I could use. Is that what you use to test the gravity?
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. And if you take two readings, 2-3 days apart, and they are unchanged and in the area you expected, attenuation is finished. It seems odd to me that you are brewing a pilsner (a relatively advanced style) but don't know what a hydrometer is. You might want to read this...

    www.howtobrew.com
     
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  16. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    I have never needed to check the gravity on my previous batches. I'm using extract kits and still bottling.
     
  17. MrLawrenceLady

    MrLawrenceLady Initiate (0) Jun 2, 2014 Kansas

    Anyway thanks for the help
     
  18. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Just a reminder that your yeast was at that temperature before you pitched it in the beer, and it was supposed to come back from that storage temp. A lot of people who make yeast starters will put them in the fridge to crash the yeast out and decant the spent starter wort before pitching the yeast. This also brings the yeast from 42*F back to work in the 50s or even 60s, 70s, 80s depending on style and strain. You will be fine raising the temps back up into its specific range. Getting the yeast awake after keeping it cold is only an issue after fermentation, ie, ferment it and then cool, then you taste diacetyl or acetaldehyde, or it didn't attenuate fully, and then you try to turn it back up and get them to finish the job (typically won't work).
     
  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    You should always be taking gravity readings pre ferment and post ferment, even when using an extract kit. Gives vital information for ABV, how much sugar is left, whether it is actually done fermenting (steady FG readings across a couple days), etc. If you ever have issues with a batch and want help, one of the first questions we all ask in the forums is what the OG and FG were.
     
  20. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    How much did you pitch, and batch size. You need about 2x the yeast for a lager. Some breweries ferment quite cold, but 50F is typical.

    One rule of thumb is that the yeast will do better if cold going into warm wort, than warm yeast going into cold wort.
     
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