Pints and Politics: Time for Another Round?

Discussion in 'Article Comments' started by BeerAdvocate, Mar 9, 2017.

  1. rodbeermunch

    rodbeermunch Poo-Bah (4,226) Nov 26, 2015 Nevada
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    Being such a bigot that another person's different viewpoint would cause me to not drink their beer?

    What a sad life that would be.

    The Gay witches for abortion brewery or The Catholic Anti Premarital Sex League Brewery, I don't give a shit, if you make good beer I will drink it. Don't care about your viewpoint.
     
  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (841) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Interesting. Would you say that you don't have many strongly held beliefs? There's got to be something that would make you say, "I love their beer, but fuck them. I'll never buy a thing from them again."
     
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  3. rodbeermunch

    rodbeermunch Poo-Bah (4,226) Nov 26, 2015 Nevada
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    Sure there are exceptions to everything generally.

    My beliefs have evolved throughout my lifetime I guess.

    I also have a strong cynical side and dabble in nihilism.
     
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  4. woodchipper

    woodchipper Savant (981) Oct 25, 2005 Connecticut
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    I have always valued the "safe space" BA has offered, free from politics and religion. I'll admit I was a little leery of this thread when I clicked on it. However I am pleasantly surprised by most people's civil, non-partisan responses.
     
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  5. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Honestly this site has the most intelligent people on the internet, free from reactionary trolls (except for if a brewery decides to add a NEIPA :wink: )
     
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  6. keithmurray

    keithmurray Meyvn (1,241) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut

    I’m still hollering “fuck Great South Bay Brewery” so long as they keep one of their beers named for a certain Segregationist..........
     
  7. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (841) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    The "douche-factor" here is certainly less than it used to be, but there's always room for improvement. Even with my own responses.
     
  8. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    *Especially with your own responses :wink:
     
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  9. chrisjws

    chrisjws Crusader (789) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    The people I roll with when I'm drinking beer tend to be a fucking rainbow of demographics, but that's because my friends are a fucking rainbow.

    This starts much deeper than beer. Go look at the close friends of most self righteous white liberals and you'll see a sea of white, white, more white and one or two friends that don't fit into that box. This isn't even necessarily intentional on their part. There is some degree of social segregation that occurs naturally, some that's culturally influenced and some that's reinforced by going to places like beer bars where you make more friends that look exactly like you.

    Systematically, there's barely anything we can do about this. On a personal level, don't be part of the problem. Don't assume because you don't see many black people at beer bars that you shouldn't invite your black friend to come along when you would otherwise (seen this happen before).

    This is mostly anecdotal (though there is data out there to support the way people make friends and interact with them) but I'll finish up with one more anecdote. I had a friend who I invited to come along to a beer bar and his assumption going in that he didn't tell me is that it'd be a bunch of white people (he wasn't wrong) but he told me what did surprise him was how friendly and cool people were to him and he didn't feel out of place aside from the obvious visual part.
     
  10. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (841) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    You mean the token one that all of us have?
     
  11. chrisjws

    chrisjws Crusader (789) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    Obviously!
     
  12. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Yikes!
     
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  13. GQchris

    GQchris Initiate (0) Sep 26, 2008 California

    I'm game! However I don't know if the people who disagree with my politics can actually even handle my presence with a MAGA shirt or hat on. The leftist media has been very successful with their indoctrination over the average American citizen throughout the past few decades. Like Pavlov's dog, the average American immediately spews hate when dealing with Republicans.
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (841) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    I think people who can only think along party lines are adorable. As if politicians of any affiliation ever solved any problem other than finding ways to fill their pockets more.
     
  15. Squire

    Squire Poo-Bah (2,014) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    I slightly disagree as I believe their primary driving force is keeping their job.
     
  16. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Devotee (468) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa

    I don't really understand what the article was trying to say. That we need to discuss politics more?

    I don't know if anyone here listens to Dan Carlin. But his latest episode of Common Sense talks about how in the current Political Climate, and the recent several years really, that people can no longer "talk Politics" or "debate the issues." People just get into a shouting match and start name calling. No thought involved. No discussion of ideas. Nothing.

    It's the fault of our entire Political System, and 24 hour news cycle, not a certain party. And both sides are equally to blame.

    Unfortunately I don't see a way it gets better any time soon.
     
  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (841) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    The article wasn't about politics at all, rather it was an essay about how the craft beer industry needs to look at itself with a more discerning eye and take constructive criticism.

    This is not unique to politics. It is American culture, in general, that is like this. We, very literally, have a society full of people who are massively undereducated about issues about which they have strongly held opinions. It is infuriating.
     
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  18. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Slight tweak: It's to keep their job that has the insane bonus of ripping off the common man! Glad to hear I'm not the only complete cynic politically on this site.
     
  19. readyski

    readyski Aspirant (227) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Yeah I'm no theologian but I've always wondered if the dualistic nature of Christianity (heaven or hell) translates into our (essentially) two party system :thinking_face:
     
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  20. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Can you imagine if we actually put the effort into teaching civics and history? Half of people in this country couldn't even pass the citizenship test if they tried... it's honestly so depressing
     
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  21. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Religion in politics is the worst trend happening in American politics currently.
     
  22. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Champion (841) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania
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    Religious people are more easily manipulated. That's why politicians love them so.
     
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  23. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    They clearly got duped at least once :wink:
     
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  24. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,649) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You are a young fellow so you may not know this but ‘back in the day’ civics was actually taught in public schools. All of my older siblings took Civics courses. By the time it was my turn to learn Civics they changed things and instead I was taught Social Studies. I suppose some folks would state this was an improvement but IMO it was not. I would like to think that schools would ‘reverse course’ and go back to teaching Civics but frankly I do not see that happening; the public school system seems to prefer to teach social issues instead.

    Cheers!
     
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  25. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    What about teaching history/social studies as one course, and american political thought/civics as the second? Do kids really need 4 years of a language they won't ever actually learn?
     
  26. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,649) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You have my support here but I doubt you could convince school systems to make this change. There is a reason that 'back in the day' (i.e., the 60's - 70's) that school systems decided to no longer teach Civics. I may be wrong here but I suspect that the ideological reasons for making this change are even stronger today than they were then.

    Waaaay back there was a thought that education should provide each individual with the tools for critical thinking and independent thought. Do you think school systems today promote these ideals?

    Cheers!
     
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  27. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    I went to high school and graduated in 2012. School systems do more to promote group think then any other modern institution. I’m definitely an outlier from that.
     
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  28. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (3,649) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Cheers to you sir!!
     
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  29. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Zealot (509) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont

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  30. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Devotee (494) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois

    I'll go there. The average republicans have been dumbed down to reactionary fossils. That said. The forced insertion of the cross inside of GOP politics has been nothing short of a firestorm of stupid for the rest of the citizens who would like to participate in American life in the actual 21st century.
     
  31. leantom

    leantom Champion (846) Nov 20, 2011 Indiana

    I'm going to have to diverge from the majority of responses and say that politics should probably be policed out of beer advocate forums. The above responses illustrate that such conversations will devolve into tired, generalized tropes about socialists, religious people, or parochial campus leftists - all the usual targets (perhaps sometimes deserved, however) of mockery in modern political discourse.

    Let's just focus on beer, brewing, etc.
     
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  32. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    Honestly compared to any news comment section this is heavenly. Have you ever read the comments on Fox News or CNN? Just horrible. And yeah politics shouldn't be on this site much, but under a political thread I think there is no harm to it. And tired tropes? This site's comment section is chock full of them under every single thread!
     
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  33. JoePasko

    JoePasko Initiate (82) Mar 10, 2018 New York

    Politics & legislation as it relates to the production, distribution, sale, taxation and consumption of beer & other beverages, is appropriate for discussion here, I think ... and there's a lot there to discuss, argue or agree over, rant about, get disgusted with, and try to make sense of. Yes ? No ?
     
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  34. Alefflicted

    Alefflicted Initiate (75) Dec 2, 2017 Minnesota

    Yes!
     
  35. leantom

    leantom Champion (846) Nov 20, 2011 Indiana

    If the politics is related to beer in an ancillary way, as you suggest, then sure. But this forum is encouraging such discourse per se, without proper relation to beer/brewing. That's a big difference.
     
  36. leantom

    leantom Champion (846) Nov 20, 2011 Indiana

    "Tired tropes" involving political generalizations - which are hardly ever edifying for either the generalizer or his audience, whatever they believe.

    Such conversations always devolve into nastiness, especially in an age where there's no universal consensus about reality.
     
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  37. Claude-Irishman

    Claude-Irishman Disciple (310) Jun 4, 2015 New Jersey

    I thought politics was a no go on BA?
     
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  38. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    I don't think referring to political movements is necessarily generalizing a group of people, because let's be honest individual opinions these days mean literally nothing. Group think is so pervasive in our democracy we vote for one color or the other. Nothing really has dissolved into nastiness in this thread, so I understand your point but don't see it as applicable in this current thread.
     
  39. leantom

    leantom Champion (846) Nov 20, 2011 Indiana

    So, in your opinion, GQChris's comment and MostlyNorwegian's response wouldn't qualify as being nasty?

    And generalizations of whole groups of people are almost never benign. Since political discourse requires such generalizations (which is essentially what you admitted, ironically, after the "I don't think referring to political movements..." part of your statement), it's probably best that such dialogue is policed from BA.
     
  40. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Initiate (162) Aug 2, 2017 New Jersey

    So your point is something may be upsetting so don't talk about it? I get upset about an awful beer and I'll sure as heck talk about it :grin: Sometimes the beer world and the political worlds meet, so if you don't want to see the content don't click on the thread(s) with the word "politics" right in it! And I'd like to apologize for thinking a group of people's political opinions don't define them :grin: