Pitching Cantillon Dregs

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  1. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine

    I have a bottle of Cantillon Iris and I want to harvest the dregs, step them up a few times, and then pitch it into a wort of 1.050.

    My question is this, should I also pitch a regular ale yeast into the wort when I pitch the Cantillon starter, or should I just go with the Cantillon starter?

    Anyone tried this with Cantillon before? How did it work out?

    Thanks.
     
  2. bgramer

    bgramer Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Washington

    I do what's known as bug farming. Get a jar, throw in some boiled oak cubes and open it whenever you open a sour that you want to pitch the dregs into. I pitch the dregs in there and feed it some wort every now and then. So far I've put in RR and Cantillon dregs. RR, Cantillon and Lost Abbey are the only dregs I'd put in my bug farm. You can create different ones for specific breweries if you want. Another guy pours dregs into lab test tubes with screw caps and stores them for future use.
     
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  3. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I harvested some dregs from a Cuvee des Champions by pouring them into a mason jar with sterile wort. Then the next day I poured them into the carboys I had brewed the day before. Normally I would probably wait until the primary Sac strain had finished fermenting or was close to it before adding the bugs. But in this case I wanted to try pitching them side by side.

    And to answer your question, if you don't use another yeast strain you will probably be severely under pitching.
     
  4. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine


    The under-pitching is the reason why I would step the starter up at least twice before actually pitching it into the wort.

    The Mad-Fermentationist's blog talks about doing it both ways and he seems to suggest that so long as you step up a few times it will take off ok (http://www.themadfermentationist.com/2009/11/brewing-sour-beer-at-home.html).

    Has anyone done it this way, and if so, have you gotten a decent level of sourness?
     
  5. Bowdoinbeerboy

    Bowdoinbeerboy Initiate (0) Sep 28, 2006 Maine


    What kinds of results have you gotten in your sour beers from this method?
     
  6. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    The sourness mostly takes time. Given enough time the bugs will create sourness.
     
  7. bgramer

    bgramer Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Washington

    Terrific results. One of my bug farms used dregs from 3 bottles of Red Poppy, and that was growed up and built in a yeast starter and put into a Flanders Red which scored in the high 30's (I want to say its 39 but could be 38.)
     
  8. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    How long do you keep them before using your bug farm?
     
  9. bgramer

    bgramer Initiate (0) Feb 10, 2006 Washington

    It's different every time. There is no schedule to follow, just your own.
     
  10. MMAJYK

    MMAJYK Initiate (0) Jun 26, 2007 Georgia

    Do you then only pitch the cubes into your wort you want to sour, or do you pitch the actual dregs from your jar? Do you pitch all of the dregs if the latter?
     
  11. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I was just curious if you use any sort of acid buffer.
     
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