Plinian legacy fermentation.

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  1. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    Hi yall, on Sunday I made the all grain northern brewer plinian legacy brew. But I need some advice ; I bought one packet of white labs California ale yeast and pitched it when the beer was at 70°F. My original gravity was at 1.062, and where I left the pale to fermen, the temp was 71-72. After a day and a half I saw a bubble in the airlock maybe once every 5-10 mins. Before I went to bed last night I moved the pale down stairs where the temp is around 67-68.figuring that the temp inside the pale was a few degrees higher which would put me around perfect ferment temp. Then this morning I went and checked on it, and there was a bubble every 2-5 mins. I'm surprised that it isn't vigorously fermenting, do yall have any advice, should I pitch another packet?
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Vigorous fermentation is not what you necessarily want for a 1.062 OG beer. In fact, a more gradual start up is preferred. Because you are fermenting in a pale (sic), you may have a slight lid leak which will cut down or stop any air lock activity. Next time, start off in the basement/downstairs and move the fermenter upstairs on day 3 or 4.

    I wouldn't pitch more yeast at this point...but, you could.
     
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  3. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Bubbles don't tell you much about what is happening in the bucket. Agree with @GreenKrusty101 don't do anything at this point, just let it ride.
     
  4. bulletrain76

    bulletrain76 Maven (1,311) Nov 6, 2007 California

    I would think you would want a vigorous fermentation for every ale. Most homebrew is under pitched IMO. I think the OP needs to get on the starter train.
     
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  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I agree, but Hi temp ferments are almost always vigorous and not usually desireable. "Vigorous" to a lot of new brewers means copious amounts of air lock activity...not necessarily a good thing.

    The slow ramp up is what I was trying to emphasize. Totally agree with the starter comment, but for a new brewer, I think I would have recommended dry US-05 which according to the manufacturers has a much wider ferment band (and more yeast cells). Cheers
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What is your personal philosophy for conducting a slow ramp up of fermentation temperatures?

    Cheers!
     
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Is 1.062 really accurate. I assumed a Pliny clone would be higher.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  9. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    Thanks yall, I'm gonna ride it out for a week and check the gravity to see if there was any change. Eventually is like to get into making starters but have no experience in that yet.
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Because I use a lot of US-05, I usually shoot for low 60s on days 1 and 2...then start cutting back on ice ~ day 3 (66) and by day 4 usually turn off the fan(68-70)...but kinda depends on ambient, yeast strain, and OG obviously. Cheers
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Barry, it might be helpful to the OP to know what is your reasoning for your practice of a ramp up of temperatures. In other words why not just pitch at 68-70 and then maintain that temperature for the duration of the fermentation. What 'qualities' does pitching cool bring to the beer?

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I was too lazy to look it up. I never had a Pliny anything - guess I need to get out more - but assumed it would have an even higher gravity. If this reported gravity was in error, it could influence perspectives on fermentation. Missing the target by 8 points is certainly within the realm of possibilities.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Peter, do you trade for beer?

    Pliny the Elder is tough to come by since Russian River has such limited distribution. I am fortunate that Russian River does distribute in SEPA. Pliny the Elder is available on draft fairly regularly here ; I love that beer!

    I was scheduled to brew a clone of Pliny the Elder with another homebrewer last month but it didn't happen. Maybe in a few months this will occur?

    Cheers!
     
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Barry, from the original post: "Hi yall, on Sunday I made the all grain northern brewer plinian legacy brew."

    Northern Brewer produces two kits entitled Plinian Legacy: extract (with specialty grains) and all grain.

    Cheers!
     
  16. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    Except the one I brewed was an all grain. Not extract
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Jack,

    I usually try to keep my posts short and sweet...I figure the "whY" can be easily found in any respectible brewing book such as, How To Brew by Palmer. This is an assumption on my part, but I think most new brewers are looking for quick answers to process problems...not the difference between the adaptive phase and the attenuative phase : ) (IMHO)
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Fair enough.

    I thought this might be an opportunity to educate a newbie brewer but...

    Cheers!
     
  19. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    My bad, but when I actually put one in my cart, there was no option for extract/AG and the instructions on the website quoted only extract and specialty grains. Just out of curiosity, why not try to clone Pliny yourself instead of buying a kit?

    ps yours is going to come out even more bitter if your OG was only 1.062...good luck and cheers
     
  20. Dmanuele1991

    Dmanuele1991 Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2014 Wisconsin

    @GreenKrusty101, it was a last minute decision. Just figured why not give it a try, they had an all grain recipe that I just had to build myself. But I'm curious, what is the reason it would be more bitter with my og over the estimated og? I did use hop shots for the bittering addition. I heard they are not goin to give off as much bitter as standard pellet hops.
     
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