Pliny the Bastard? Recipe Feedback

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  1. ultravista

    ultravista Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 Nevada

    I plan on combining my two favorite beers, Pliny the Elder and Arrogant Bastard into Pliny the Bastard.

    The recipe below is the base for Pliny (More Beer), with CaraAroma subbed for C40, bittering by Chinook, and dry hopped with Chinook, Columbus, and Centennial. SRM will be a bit darker from the CaraAroma. The beer fermented with WLP001 (Pliny) instead of WLP007 (Bastard).

    Do you think 147 IBUs of Chinook will be overpowering? The Pliny recipe with Magnum, Simcoe, Columbus, and Centennial is 153 IBU (per Beersmith).

    The resulting beer should be dry, like Pliny, but bursting with Chinook goodness.

    Looking for feedback.

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    Batch Size: 6 gallons (to account for dry hop absorption)
    Est Original Gravity: 1.073 SG
    Est Final Gravity: 1.012
    Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 8.0 %
    Bitterness: 148.4 IBUs

    13 lbs. Pale Malt (2 Row) - 84.5 %
    1 lbs. Carapils - 6.5 %
    1 lbs. Corn Sugar - 6.5 %
    6.1 oz. Caraaroma - 2.5 %

    3.00 oz. Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 90 min
    1.00 oz. Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 45 min
    1.00 oz. Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 30 min
    2.00 oz. Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 0 min

    Ferment with WLP001

    Dry hop
    2 oz. Columbus
    1 oz. Centennial
    1 oz. Chinook
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    #1 ultravista, Feb 27, 2015
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  2. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Better name: Pliny The Arrogant Elder Bastard :slight_smile::grinning:
     
    #2 ronobvious2, Feb 27, 2015
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  3. ultravista

    ultravista Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2010 Nevada

    I like it!
     
    #3 ultravista, Feb 27, 2015
  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    For me yes . . . but I'm not a big AB fan.

    I do suggest you not get too hung up on IBU numbers, each recipe calculator handles this differently and the majority seem to not take into account the lack of alpha acid absorption at the higher levels. What Beersmith calls 153 for Pliny compares to 90 - 95 by Russian River. This is discussed in more detail in the current "DIPA recipe thread". Also, this type recipe begs for hop extract for the initial bittering addition.
     
    #4 PortLargo, Feb 27, 2015
  5. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Using the same amount of hops, this is what I would suggest.

    1oz at 60
    2oz at 15
    2oz at 5
    2oz at 0
     
    #5 Brew_Betty, Feb 27, 2015
  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Chinook is a great hop...but not that great : )...a little diversity goes a long way, IMHO...even if throwing in a couple of "token" hops for the dry hop.
     
    #6 GreenKrusty101, Feb 28, 2015
  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    The 90 for Pliny is from lab analysis not calculation. Mitch Steele has it at 65 in his IPA book, and someone one this boardbacks that up.
     
    #7 hopfenunmaltz, Feb 28, 2015
  8. Buckeyebrewer

    Buckeyebrewer Initiate (0) Jun 23, 2014 Ohio

    Why not brew both clones and mix. Then you can set the amount you want of both more Pliny or more bastard and you'll have both to drink separately.
     
    #8 Buckeyebrewer, Feb 28, 2015
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