poor planning and laziness...please help

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  1. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    In nutshell had two canisters of yeast harvested from old batches in the fridge.( 001, heady residuals and Julius residuals) The week caught up to me real quick (especially bourbon county Friday) did not create a yeast starter just left the ball glass canisters sit at room temp for a day before pitching on Saturday. Its now Tuesday not much if anything going on.

    1. I ordered GY054 (Vermont ale) today any harm in waiting until it gets here to re-pitch? (3-5 days)

    or 2.should I try and re-pitch right away with something readily attainable to salvage what I have?

    would really prefer #1 lid has not been removed from the fermenter.

    cheers
     
    #1 Liberatiscioli, Dec 1, 2015
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    A really lazy person like myself would have had a half dozen sachets of US-05 in reserve :slight_smile:

    How much yeast did you have and how old was it?

    Planning actually compensates for laziness, IMHO
     
    #2 GreenKrusty101, Dec 1, 2015
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  3. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Shine a flashlight through the lid in a dark room to see if krausen has formed on the sides of the bucket. I'd probably check for activity before doing anything else.
     
    #3 CADETS3, Dec 1, 2015
  4. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    The two ball jars were from august and have been in the fridge since. I was able to harvest all yeast from my prior batch of pliny with my new fast fermenter. This included a satchet of 05, and 2 vials 001 that obviously replicated. Those were the contents.

    Also did not mention my fermenter can do up to 7.5-8 gallons. This batch came out less than expected about 4.5 gallons. Lot more head space than normal.
     
    #4 Liberatiscioli, Dec 1, 2015
  5. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I would check for fermentation activity before doing anything.

    Years ago I pitched harvested yeast that was at least 2 months old and it was fine. Though not ideal, if you harvest yeast from trub you are harvesting a lot of yeast, which compensates for the decreased vitality over time.
     
    #5 scottakelly, Dec 1, 2015
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I agree with @CADETS3 and @kellyst. IMO it's almost always better to not solve a problem before you are sure there is one.
     
    #6 VikeMan, Dec 1, 2015
  7. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Will do tonight gents.

    Just for my own knowledge if nothing happens any sort of timetable before the wort goes bad?
    Ordered Vermont ale yeast from morebeer didn't realize their warehouse was in PA will be here tommorow!
     
    #7 Liberatiscioli, Dec 1, 2015
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I don't have any real data, but if your sanitation practices were good, your wort should be safe for quite a while.
     
    #8 VikeMan, Dec 1, 2015
  9. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Good news airlock smells more of co2 exhaust possible slow starter without making a yeast starter first
     
    #9 Liberatiscioli, Dec 1, 2015
  10. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
    Pooh-Bah

    I've been there. I did a split batch with 2 yeast strains. It takes the load off of the count being too low. You might still have to deal with the fact that your yeast are old or unhealthy.
     
    #10 inchrisin, Dec 3, 2015
  11. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Without taking a gravity reading just dosent look like it fermented aggressively as it normally does. Any harm in throwing a packet of Vermont ale yeast just cause?
     
    #11 Liberatiscioli, Dec 3, 2015
  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    No harm there. Yeasts typically throw a little more ester when stressed. 001 Still ferments ridiculously clean. I wouldn't go by krausen alone in determining how 001 ferments. Under-pitches are usually lack-luster and take another few days to get going and finish up (in my experience). I would decide how fast I want to hit FG and if I had other plans for the Vermont yeast before pitching. Pull a scoop of yeast off the krausen ring if you want to save some 001. Pull some of the Vermont off into a starter if you want to save this. Pitch the rest into your beer. Also RDWHAHB
     
    #12 inchrisin, Dec 3, 2015
  13. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    What is rdwhahb?

    Also another side note....
    Harvesting yeast my method with this new conical fast fermentor. Drained whatever was at the bottom into ball jar until beer comes out. I did not clean my yeast as I am now looking at on you tube. Basically added a little of the beer to the jar and put it in the fridge(back in August). When I pitched Saturday drain poured as much of the thin liquid on top of the yeast/trub in the ball jar without disturbing the thick stuff. Added freshly brewed wort, shook it up and pitched. Will this hurt anything? Is this even correct?
     
    #13 Liberatiscioli, Dec 3, 2015
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Relax, Don't Worry, Have A Home Brew

    By not washing/rinsing the yeast, you got some trub (old trub, from August) in your pitch. Does it hurt anything? Well, depending on what the trub consisted of, it could affect the flavor of your beer. Did you happen to smell the yeast/trub before you pitched?
     
    #14 VikeMan, Dec 3, 2015
  15. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Yes it really didn't smell like much. More like an old IPA. Faint smells of dank hop oils.thats about it.
     
    #15 Liberatiscioli, Dec 3, 2015
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