Possible stuck fermentation

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  1. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Hi all, I was wondering if you would be willing to share your thoughts on my current situation. I brewed a porter last Friday. It had an OG of 1.064. I used WLP013 London Ale yeast. I made a 1 liter starter. Since pitching the yeast around 1:30 PM on Friday 1/17 the fermenter has been in the 64-67 temperature range. I took a reading on Tuesday 1/21 and it was 1.032. I gave it a vigorous stir, hopping to introduce some oxygen. When I took another reading today (1/23) it was still at 1.030. The OG seems to be somewhat "stuck". This was originally intended to be a clone of Edmund Fitzgerald (though I doubt that it'll come out like it) and everything I have read says that the FG should be around 1.017. What do you think? Am I just being impatient?

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    Use VikeMan's Brewcipher to predict the FG?

    Let's see the grain bill, and provide your mash temp. It's possible that it's done.
     
  3. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    9 lbs. of Briess Pale Malt
    1 lbs. of Chocolate Wheat Malt
    1 lbs. of Dingeman’s Munich
    1 lbs. Crisp Roasted Barley
    1 lbs. of Weyerman Cara Aroma

    Mash temp was around 160 give or take a couple of degrees.
     
  4. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    By my math got your FG should be 1.023 - 1.025 range. Give it a few more days. Your chances of hitting an FG of 1.017 are low at that mash temp. Next time, try mashing at 150 for 90 minutes, it will get you way closer.
     
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  5. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Yea, you said yourself it ticked down to 1.030 after a couple days, so it looks like it is still going, albeit slowly.

    On a side note, I'd be kind of worried about vigorously stirring and oxidation. Maybe what you wanted to do was rouse the yeast? This is done gently so to minimize the amount of o2 actually.
     
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  6. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    You've got a lot of specialty malts there and mashed very high IMO so I don't know how much lower it'll go...check it in a week with your fingers crossed.

    For comparison, I brewed a Porter (the recipe I sent you) with ~ 1/2 your specialty grains on Sunday the 12th - Mash @ 152*F for 60min; OG 1.052; WLP013 w/ 1 Liter starter; 60-64*F tops. I racked it today and it's done done - FG =1.015. I was worried a bit since I'm having a hard time keeping my house above 60*F - especially in a toddler-proof region suitable for fermentation - and bubbling stopped a few days ago.
     
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  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sounds slow (not stuck) to me. I would resist temptation and wait a few more days before checking again.
     
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  8. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'd be keeping that around 70 right now if you can't get those last few points.

    I don't know that stirring was the best idea, but you'll have to live with it. You might have a candy bar beer that will drink quite easily and will be great with how stupid cold it's been lately. This beer should shape up quick and drink quicker because of the lower ABV. Get it before oxidation sets in. :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  9. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Don't shake it! That's bad now.
     
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  10. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Clearly I made a misstep here. I thought introducing oxygen to yeast encouraged fermentation. Where did I go wrong (besides everywhere, ha).

    Also, inchrisin, "candy bar beer" scare me, I don't have much of a sweet tooth. Is there nothing I can do to make this a bit "drier?"
     
  11. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    Oxygen promotes yeast growth during the initial stage of fermentation...not good after ~50% attenuation.
    With ~ 25% specialty grains and high mash temp, there's not much you can do to dry it out...only time will tell. If it doesn't suite your palate, blend it with another batch or make black and tans.
     
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  12. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Thanks for the info. Do you recommend that I transfer this to a secondary and if yes, when?
     
  13. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    Well, unless you want to pitch a big starter of some overattenuating yeast strain into your beer, there's not much you can do at this point.

    I wouldn't worry about a "candy bar" beer - a high FG doesn't necessarily mean overly sweet - in your case, you didn't add like 5 lbs of crystal or anything - you mashed high, which means more dextrins, which means more mouthfeel, not sweetness necessarily. Assuming you didn't oxidize it, I expect your porter will be good, you've got a nice grain bill there.

    Don't transfer to a secondary. Leave the beer for a week or two, keep it at high 60's, check it again. If the gravity is between 23 and 26ish and it tastes clean, package it.
     
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  14. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    I would check the gravity again in ~ week.
     
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    For this beer, I wouldn't secondary.
     
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  16. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    And while you are waiting, start your next batch - it will take your mind off this one a little. In the end, this is only beer, don't sweat it.
     
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  17. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I wish I had the time. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to brew again until March (at which point I really want to do a Kolsch).
     
  18. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    I am in no way trying to be antagonistic or argumentative, but do you guys regularly use grain bills that are 25-30% specialty malts with success ? In order to get a beer to finish where I think is appropriate, 15% is my upper limit.
     
  19. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    Taste a sample...what do you think of it ?
     
  20. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    Well, what is an appropriate finishing gravity for you?

    There are many paths to getting to an acceptable FG. It will depend upon the specialty malts used and the mash temp and time. I make a beer that is 40% base malt, 15% Munich, and the rest specialty. But it has a lot of rye in it, which dries the beer out a lot, and I find I need a lot of other malts to keep the flavor balanced. The beer isn't sweet or even very filling, but it does have some nice complexity. (not that I would recommend this grain bill for many beer styles)

    I guess, to me, the appropriate FG is the one that tastes good, depending on what you want out of the beer. This is where the line between the art and science of brewing begins to get blurry.
     
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