Post-Haze Craze Era

Discussion in 'New England' started by lbower860, Mar 6, 2019.

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  1. lbower860

    lbower860 Initiate (0) Jun 28, 2011 Connecticut

    Ive been thinking about this recently and it definitely seems like we are in a new era of craft beer. It seems that the line/fomo culture that was so widespread from say 2014-2017 is finally becoming a thing of the past. It used to be the case that if you wanted a legit New England IPA, you were waiting in line. To me the apex of this haze mania was 2016. Monson was an absolute zoo every release day, Swish releases were madness, both Trillium locations were always packed, Dinner sold out in seconds in the online pre-order, not to mention the Other Half scene.

    I actually look back fondly on these days, as the hype and craziness was sort of exciting for a while. Im not saying hazy ipas arent insanely popular anymore. They are as popular as ever. It just seems like there was a much different feel a few years ago. Seeing these Tree House lineups with no line is something that I didnt think would ever happen. Do people think that enthusiasm for the beer hype culture will continue to trend downward as it seems to be doing?
     
  2. EDNOSE

    EDNOSE Pundit (996) Oct 27, 2007 Connecticut

    Honestly, I think that the production has just gone up to catch up to the hype. And by that I don't mean specifically that Tree House and Trillium have hugely increased production, but that their increase AND the fact that so many more breweries are producing comparable beer in the last few years (Fox Farm, New Park, Counterweight, Tribus, Lock City, plus increased variety and availability from Beer'd ... just naming CT IPA focused breweries. Obviously there are plenty more examples in other NE states plus the number of NY breweries readily available in New England now (particularly Singlecut going to cans and Industrial Arts crossing the border).
     
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  3. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Interesting topic to think about.

    In addition to what Ednose said above, I think that period of time is just generally going to turn out to have been a pretty unique moment. You had a tripling of the number of breweries, the rise of social media culture, the switch to more affordable/transportable cans instead of bombers, and the NE IPA offering a more accessible twist on an already pretty dominant style.

    Whenever the day comes that the number of breweries is stagnant or decreasing instead of increasing is probably the day we'll start to really see 'what's next'.
     
  4. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    Remember how people used to line up for the new iPhone every year? It's not like no one likes smart phones anymore, we just all got used to them. And the difference between the latest greatest and what you already have continues to be less exciting. I don't think the style is going anywhere, but you can only maintain that level of enthusiasm for so long.
     
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  5. Newport_beerguy

    Newport_beerguy Pooh-Bah (1,860) Feb 24, 2011 Rhode Island
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    It was a perfect storm in that this type of beer was starting to be produced at a time when the taproom and takeaway beer laws around New England got more lax. While not usually a low alcohol beer, NEIPAs are sessionable by nature. People aren't going to load up on cases of a super bitter IPA, porter or red ale which were more the speed of some of the flagships from the last generation of breweries.

    Now that the faucets have been open for a number of years, the consumption curve is settling back to normal and you aren't going to see another Tree House or Trillium break ground on a huge facility for quite some time. Crazy expansion will become the exception and not the rule for NEIPA producers, but the brewers who produce better product will continue to make profits and steadily expand.

    There is money to be made in the alcohol industry in general and the general population has been trending away from beer, so I am curious where the "next big thing" is. Around my backyard, I have seen both a winemaker and spirits maker start brewing beer as well as a brewer start making spirits. They can then take advantage of the intermingling of their offerings and drive taproom business to cater to different customers.
     
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  6. jamvt

    jamvt Savant (1,150) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts
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    It’s called weed man...
     
  7. TerriblySorry

    TerriblySorry Aspirant (243) Jul 12, 2014 Massachusetts

    I don't know if the popularity is trending downwards as much as outwards. There are SO MANY options out there and many shelfies/local spots have gotten within reach of the most famous hop houses out there with the added benefit of no waits. Plus, as others have said, production has increased across the board. I remember my first time waiting for Swish (2017) I got there 90 minutes early and the line was about 3 blocks down the road. Last year same plan and the line didn't make it all the way to the parking lot. This year, same thing, I was about the 10th person there. I feel mixed; really enjoy walking in and out for these releases and having such great access, but kind of like when your favorite TV show has good-but-not-great ratings, you start to worry whether it will get "cancelled" at some point in the near future...
     
  8. Zach423

    Zach423 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2018 Massachusetts

    Maine beer co, tree house, bissell and trillium have all expanded and maximized their economies of scale allowing them produce more so since there's rarely anymore sells out in an hour beer, people dont need to wait in the line. But when the next great tree house come around with a brewery the size of Monson, those lines will happen again for sure. Just need the new wave of elite breweries to come in
     
  9. jamvt

    jamvt Savant (1,150) Aug 5, 2005 Massachusetts
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    Prob Vitamin Sea right?
     
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  10. raenge

    raenge Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2016 Rhode Island

    I don’t see a new wave of elite breweries coming in barring some new beer trend coming out that they pioneer. How can the haze beers be taken to a “next level” from where they are now? The market is just so saturated and hard to separate yourself at this point.
     
  11. epoole3

    epoole3 Zealot (695) Aug 28, 2005 Massachusetts

    -access is no longer exclusive at the top tier breweries
    -haze has become so pervasive that it is bordering on passé
    -same for pastry stouts.
    -local breweries are favored by those who have them in their respective towns
    -don’t see a new craze happening at the recipe level, more likely as what breweries offer in terms of experience: taproom, grounds, food, entertainment, tours, events, community connections, and location: (proximity to a cool town i.e. Portland, Burlington; or outdoor activities i.e. hiking, skiing, farms, etc.).
     
  12. pbrian

    pbrian Pooh-Bah (2,118) Feb 8, 2001 Connecticut
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    Clearly, duh.
     
  13. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Yes that would be the one.. They worship Bissell brothers. People will look and buy from smaller hard to buy/find brewer's like Four Quarters.
     
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  14. thedaveofbeer

    thedaveofbeer Savant (1,169) Mar 25, 2016 Massachusetts
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    That's not the point-it is what is new and limited- It would shock me if any local players make beer better than tree house, but people will chase the next "it".
     
  15. raenge

    raenge Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2016 Rhode Island

    Totally disagree. New and limited don’t matter if what a brewery is pumping out is not vastly different or superior compared to other offerings out there. Trillium, Tree House, and others were essentially able to catch lighting in a bottle because of talent and luck. I just don’t see it happening again any time soon.
     
  16. thedaveofbeer

    thedaveofbeer Savant (1,169) Mar 25, 2016 Massachusetts
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    You don't instagram much do you? For the record, I agree that what you say should be true, but it isn't. Plenty of breweries are releasing four packs north of 20 bucks and selling out in one day without having near the street cred as Tree House. Is it sustainable? Who knows, but haze craze is still rolling.
     
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  17. cmoney13

    cmoney13 Initiate (0) Sep 9, 2017 Massachusetts

    FQ pretty readily available on shelves in MA.
     
  18. HoppyJesus

    HoppyJesus Aspirant (285) Sep 22, 2015 Massachusetts
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    How about breweries who emphasize fermentation character-flavor structure and crescendo of flavor experience. When did mouthfeel (in the eyes of the consumer) trump fermentation character? Yes, I agree...its a very competitive market...but I still taste a lot of blown out, watered down, thick, turbid fruity hoppy beers. For my palate, its just not what I want to drink. What's the post haze craze?...its the full circle return to those who were there from the beginning...and (in my opinion) doing it right...SN, RR, HF. Just my opinion.
     
  19. robo55

    robo55 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2015 Massachusetts
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    HF is in a league of their own. They’ll have no problem surviving whatever is next.
     
  20. epoole3

    epoole3 Zealot (695) Aug 28, 2005 Massachusetts

    Add Fox Farm to this list as well:
    They check all the boxes, it’s great to see a taproom where you can look around and see a multitude of styles (done exceptionally well) being enjoyed across patrons.
     
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