Potential Bad Trader: @dabrees

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  1. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    All, here is my experience with the subject trader.

    We started discussing a trade in late November and came to an agreement shortly thereafter.

    Me
    Coconut Bomb b1
    CW 18, 19, 20
    CCBomb 15, 16, 17
    Extras

    Them
    Balaton
    Alaskan Pipeline
    Cookie Butterface
    AB Noir x2
    Snickerdoodle

    They requested the trade wait until finals were completed and I agreed.

    The conversation continued with them stating they had knocked over the Alaskan Pipeline and would replace it with BA Christmas Bomb which I agreed.

    Over December the conversation continued with non trade topics and I reconfirmed the trade before I headed out of town for the holidays. They agreed and stated they would have to wait until January 12 due other trades taking longer to complete.

    When I returned, I reached back out with some Aslin cans and we expanded to include 3 Aslin stouts for 2 bourbon paradise. We exchanged contact information. I confirmed their address and contact number and shipped the first week of January. Note that a trade request was sent (and ultimately cancelled). They received the box safely.

    I followed up about a week later with them on shipping and they stated they hurt their shoulder. We discussed this aspect given my own history with impingement.

    I followed up again about 2 weeks later 1/31 and they responded regarding the freezing temps and throwing extras in.

    Received an update on 02/07 about going to the Okie Paradise release and including this in the box.

    The conversation continued to 2/19 when Apple of My Pie changed to Bye Bye Baked Apple Pie and the inclusion of another BA Prairie bottle which I agreed to.

    3/08 and another query on shipping with an addition of Okie Paradise, a second Bye Bye Baked Apple Pie, and a change of BA Christmas to Double Barrel Noir with a confirmation of shipping tomorrow.

    3/13 and a message regarding being delayed due to work with free time the following week and the inclusion of another extra.

    4/04 last message from me stating they must shipp by 4/15

    Now I am aware that this is premature given my last message and the deadline therein but in my haste I did not notice this person has not been on this site for 3 weeks.
     
    #1 Slack, Apr 10, 2019
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  2. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    #2 MattOC, Apr 10, 2019
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  3. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Premature? Closing in on a half year!

    I understand you were okay with shooting the shit and all that, but you seem to have extensive trade history here. I would think you'd want to lock things down earlier and get a commitment to ship. After two months I would have either ended discussions or requested immediate ship.

    Either way, he should have sent you the bottles originally agreed to, and the replacements at this point, and then some, IMO.

    Way too many excuses given over way too long a period of time. Bad trader in my book.
     
    #3 Sabtos, Apr 10, 2019
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  4. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I thought that name looked familiar. Sigh.

    Ideally, it would certainly have been better to have waited until 4/15 to post this, but at this point, at the very least, I think we would all like to hear some explanation from @dabrees as to what's going on here.

    At least in the prior thread, I think he eventually made good on his trade agreement, so I think there's every reason to hope for a good outcome this time around as well. On the other hand, given his history, I would probably be pretty leery of trading with @dabrees, and would insist that he ship first if I was involved in a trade with him.
     
    #4 John_M, Apr 10, 2019
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  5. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    #5 jrnyc, Apr 10, 2019
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  6. Sabtos

    Sabtos Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,920) Dec 15, 2015 Ohio
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah, I feel like I've seen a number of traders with less than 100% simply due to non-completed trades lately.
     
    #6 Sabtos, Apr 10, 2019
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  7. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Feedback system needs an enhancement to include a field to provide the link for a bad trader thread. Sketchy traders are getting off the hook to easy, what is the point of a feedback system if it is not helping informing people of traders they want to avoid. Dabrees behavior that resulted in that thread has gone to the next step and OP is getting screwed.

    @Slack Did you look at their feedback? Did you notice the OK rating? Did you take it to the next step and search for a bad trader thread?
     
    #7 jrnyc, Apr 10, 2019
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  8. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    At the time (December), I looked at their completed trades summary and it being 100%, I was comfortable moving forward. I did not go into reading feedback as I have found it to be repetitive and less than 100% rating is essentially a pariah.
     
    #8 Slack, Apr 10, 2019
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  9. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I like to give the benefit of the doubt here as life gets in the way of beer trading. We all have more important things than sending a box out and I have had previous trades take upwards of 2 months but the other party was open with the situation and was committed to completing the trade. This trade appeared very similar and the other party committed to the trade several times and was responsive.
     
    #9 Slack, Apr 10, 2019
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  10. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Im going to second this. Neutral feedback should reduce the rating below 100% - not as much as negative, but to some extent. Otherwise whats the point of even having neutral feedback?
     
    #10 FBarber, Apr 10, 2019
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  11. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Unfortunately for you, during your whole escapade he exhibited some pretty bad behavior in another trade.
     
    #11 jrnyc, Apr 10, 2019
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  12. Slack

    Slack Pooh-Bah (2,018) Feb 14, 2012 Virginia
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    And that's on me as I did not check the Bad Trader's Forum. Hindsight...
     
    #12 Slack, Apr 11, 2019
  13. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Beer advocate needs to make it a lot easier for feedback system to include this information in the feedback itself.
     
    #13 jrnyc, Apr 11, 2019
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  14. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Especially since dabrees has a 100% feedback rating, the same as people who do nothing but flawless trades.
     
    #14 jrnyc, Apr 11, 2019
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  15. flat_lander

    flat_lander Pooh-Bah (2,490) May 11, 2016 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    After a few dicey trading experiences, I've now made this part of my standard protocol with a trader I haven't worked with before: Check feedback for anything neutral or negative, search the BT and Trade Talk threads (sometimes they start there, but don't get moved to a BT Thread). I've even had a few times where something seemed off, so I look through their previous traders and see if we have anyone in common and double check on their experience before deciding to move forward So far, that's kept me out of this place.

    Sorry to hear about your experience and hope you get made whole. We almost made it 3 months without one of these threads.

    Always curious to see if the BT in question is reasonable or comes out all guns blazin' with the life got in the way/it's just beer/you all need a life asshat trifecta. And we wait...
     
    #15 flat_lander, Apr 11, 2019
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  16. flat_lander

    flat_lander Pooh-Bah (2,490) May 11, 2016 Illinois
    Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    When you look through his feedback I see this recent one, "Everything was fulfilled as agreed upon." That's not the type of statement I'd leave if I was really happy with my trade partner. These are the kinds of red flags I look for.
     
    #16 flat_lander, Apr 11, 2019
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  17. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Certainly @Slack could have waited until the deadline date he gave to post this, but given the timeline and details he provided I doubt a few days is going to matter.

    I applaud @Slack for his patience, but so many things about this were maddening to me regarding @dabrees

    - Knocking over a bottle. Yes, accidents happen, but once I agree to a trade, said bottles are put in a safe place until I can package or are packaged that day to avoid accidents.

    - The whole waiting for other trades to finish before being able to complete the one they had going. That would drive me mad. Too many variables and possibilities of things going wrong if dabrees was waiting on bottles from other trades to fulfill his trade with Slack.

    - The changing of the bottles often and Slack always being a gentleman and always agreeing to it.

    - Too many excuses: finals, other trades, broken bottle(s), swapped bottles, injuries, shipping delays (repeated). Blah, blah.

    Too much nonsense. Given Slack's experience and the other thread about dabrees, I would not trade with him.

    Lastly, I know it's "just beer" and life trumps trading, but if you can't fulfill your trades in a timely manner, etc., then maybe take a break from trading until you get everything else sorted out.
     
    #17 MattOC, Apr 11, 2019
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  18. bigda83

    bigda83 Crusader (453) Feb 13, 2014 New York
    Trader

    Not to mention, wasn't drinking or breaking the bottle the same excuse in the other BT thread for @dabrees ?? I'm being lazy and not looking, but I remember that thread well and could have sworn that was also the excuse. Maybe I'm just too careful myself, but idk how that happens.
     
    #18 bigda83, Apr 11, 2019
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  19. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I read through it quickly again and didn't notice that. Based on that OP's info and dabrees responses there, it was more of the same - shipping due to weather (legit), but mostly too busy, doesn't prioritize trading, a lot on his plate, playing the victim (smearing his name)....

    Of course, since he hasn't been on in a few weeks, hopefully he is okay. With the semester nearing an end (figure he is in college/grad school per the finals reason mentioned above) and hopefully weather getting consistently better, he can make good on the trade with Slack.
     
    #19 MattOC, Apr 11, 2019
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  20. bigda83

    bigda83 Crusader (453) Feb 13, 2014 New York
    Trader

    Must have been another recent one. My old brain wasn't working right haha. I agree with you on the whole back and forth and back and forth on this. I'm surprised the OP was as nice and agreeable as he was. Seems like a stand up guy so the BT needs to make it right. It appears he may be ghosting now because the profile said last login was 3 plus weeks ago now.
     
    #20 bigda83, Apr 11, 2019
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