Potential bad trader...seeking advice

"I have a lot on my plate in life at the moment [and have chosen to exacerbate this by choosing to add five beer trades to my plate and to not communicate with those I've agreed with, which only takes a few seconds of time that I can definitely spare]."

I honestly can't tell if people say this sort of thing in good faith or if it's just an ex post facto excuse but it astounds me every time.

Being busy is 100% excusable and understandable. Not communicating isn't. It's not like some complicated beer trading etiquette either... it's just basic decency to other humans you interact with.

 

The smearing my name was a poor choice of words. I didn't read up in the thread to find that he confirmed he received the package. I was under the impression for a moment that he hadn't and might have never gotten it, in which case it would be a bigger problem that was out of my hands. That was my mistake.

 

All but one of those is already done.

I think I've addressed everything here. I'll go update with feedback on those

 

Have you communicated with the other traders about delays? I think that's just as or more important than addressing comments here, and seems to be the main source of frustration that hasn't really been addressed.

 

Yes. I have one last open trade that I'm waiting on a bottle pickup to throw in extras for. I've communicated this to that trader. The rest of the trades have all been closed and their boxes arrived.

 

Is it me or does it seem like @dabrees doesn't really care? He said he had one trade open and is waiting to add extras , but blatantly disregarded the op's question or concern about the extras(possibly add ons by the looks of it) he didn't receive. It's hard sometimes to gauge the tone of someone's tone from text, so I could be wrong. Dabrees only concern was that he thought @tspoke didn't receive his package which wasn't the only problem he had with this trade.

 

The trade was pretty heavy on my side as far as value. Tawny GNVP, RW GNVP, two Dawgs and a Cycle Stay Fancy for 4xCW 21 and a BG. The CW 21 I've seen go for 35 and the BG for around 40-50 recently (maybe the 17 is a bit more, so I'll say 60), whereas the Tawny GNVP is around 100 in secondary value trade wise, and the RW GNVP I recently traded for two dawgs, so I'll say 70 The two dawgs (rocky trail and bored/buzzed/chatty) float around 30-40 each and the Cycle Stay Fancy around 40 as well. I felt I was pretty far ahead value wise but didn't mind giving that up for the CW. But from what has been said my reasoning is flawed and I'll need to backtrack and send something extra.

With regards to what @Rustytacos said my concern initially was that he didn't get the package of course. That would be a huge issue since it would be out of my hands at that point and dealing with Fedex with a lost package would have been pretty bad, as it always is. Glad it didn't happen. I was pretty concerned for everyone trying to blast me for having "5 open trades" when I only had one open in reality.

Apologies do nothing for @tspoke but I'll send a nice extra to him this weekend (unless he really doesn't want it, which I highly doubt).

 

I don't see a single person in the thread "blasting you" merely for "having 5 open trades." I see many people pointing out your poor -or completely misleading- communication. I hope you understand the difference between these two complaints.

 

I long for the good old days of trading where words like “secondary”, “float”, “go for”,”value” would never be used in a trade thread.

 

I really don't see a major issue here as far as no extras go. Just going by screenshots I didn't see that mentioned by anyone other than the OP. Extras is kind of an unwritten rule, but in the end they're just that, extras. The lack of communication and delays would have been my biggest concern to alert people to, but not getting extras is something that happens all the time. I've even had a repeat trader not send them and I did each time, but didn't really care because I enjoy giving extra beer to people to try. The one positive and OP did receive his box and those are really nice beers so that's a good thing here and IMO it would be a neutral feedback, or positive with notes about communication and delays. I don't see a full on negative here, but that's just my opinion.

 

The main issue is the lack of communication .... That's definitely clear ...op even admitted to the fact the extras was not clear

But the other side of the trade has not said much in his lack of communication . .. Strange

 

I didn't make a good effort to communicate properly because I didn't care enough as long as the box was shipped. That much should be clear. So I have to not do that again with future trades.

 

Yes, I agree and listed that in my comment as the main issue. I just said the extras portion is a non issue for me. They did fulfill the trade so I think it should be closed up with appropriate feedback left just notifying others about the communication issues.

 

And this goes back to @Rustytacos comment. Which he was correct

 

But you represented that it was / going to be shipped on multiple occasions when in fact it wasn't, right? And again, it just surprises me to hear people blatantly admit things like the above in a hobby predicated on trust and communication.

Do you understand how communicating more truthfully could have avoided this issue, and why people might want to know about traders who (a) communicate poorly and misleadingly or (b) don't seem to understand why poor communication is an issue?

 

FTFY.

 

Better to be honest than make up some BS excuse. I do understand, I just ignored those facts (which should be clear) and I need to not do it again.

 

I understand. But if a bottle had frozen/burst from freezing (it dipped below 20F when I expressed concern) what situation would I have been in then? I couldn't replace some of the bottles I sent because I didn't have extras of those particular ones.