Potential bug, between 'Got it' and 'Rate it'.

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  1. JonnoWillsteed

    JonnoWillsteed Pooh-Bah (2,846) Apr 12, 2013 England
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    I just noticed the subject last night. When I go and buy beer and it includes ones I believe I haven't had before I check on BA, and if I haven't had them I click 'Got it' against them, as a book-mark. Usually within a few days I'll rate it, and I'll come back to BA, click 'Rate it', write my review and submit it. The page headers confirms receipt hence I feel no need to go and x-check that my latest review/s have definitely been published.

    As time has gone by and I've rated many more beers I started noticing something. More and more beers I knew for SURE I'd had, and had no reason not review here, did not appear in the list of beers I've rated in my Profile. At one time I contacted BA to ask if might know what was happening. I don't recall their reply, but in case the problem continued.

    This week I believe I might have confirmed what is going on here. (This applies browing using Win10 and the Firefox browser, other systems might behave differently).

    When I write a review of a beer I've earlier flagged with 'Got it', from that specific beer's profile page I simply click 'Rate it', write/submit my review, it confirms receipt and that's it. BUT if I do not additionally remember to un-tick the 'Got it' box then all it does is save a copy of the review under your 'Got its', it does not publish it.Unless you know that you might imagine writing a rating would not be dependent on the status of the 'Got it' box in this way.

    It was only last night that I realised a reviewers 'Got it' beers could be viewed in a list. Imagine my surprise to look there and find perhaps 50 or more historic reviews of mine from over the past 5+ years!

    Take care that use of the Got-it box doesn't risk creating a Beer-muda Triangle for your reviews! :slight_smile:
     
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  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm, I just lost a beer a few hours ago. I doubt that it had anything to do with what you're talking about. I figure it was a beer that was merged. What are the other ways that a beer review can disappear?
     
  3. JonnoWillsteed

    JonnoWillsteed Pooh-Bah (2,846) Apr 12, 2013 England
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    I wonder what the odds of you writing a review and that beer getting merged into another within a few hours, and any record of your review - under either name - being lost. Sounds odd to me.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Initiate (0) Nov 17, 2010 New Hampshire

    Hello and thank you for writing this detailed bug report. The gots and the ratings/reviews are two completely seperate systems which should not be able to affect each other. It is not technically possible to attach text to a got because that system has no way of accepting, processing or storing text. You have either checked the box or you haven’t. It is also not possible to save a review without publishing it. I have followed the steps you provided but I was unable to reproduce this issue. If you could provide additional information or more detailed instructions to reproduce the issue I would be happy to look into it further.
     
  5. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    The only way this happens is if the individual has reviewed both of the merged beers (then they will only have a single review).
     
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  6. JonnoWillsteed

    JonnoWillsteed Pooh-Bah (2,846) Apr 12, 2013 England
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    Ok Mike thanks. I will try to recreate the issue, and see if I can repeat resolving it similar to what I previously described. I'll note the step-by-step actions along the way, and if I can repeat it I'll let you know.
     
  7. JonnoWillsteed

    JonnoWillsteed Pooh-Bah (2,846) Apr 12, 2013 England
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    Hmmm... I found the listing for a new [to me] beer I bought today, went to it's listing and clicked 'Got it'. I then closed the browser. Re-opened it, loaded BA went to my Gots, wrote a review of it, left 'Got it' ticked and it published it. So now of course I'm wondering was was going on earlier! Anyway, just wanted to confirm that. Plus on the bright side it means the site works intuitively how I'd expect it to, so less ?-marks for me in future over whether ratings stick. Thx for your help! J
     
  8. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    @JonnoWillsteed I'm guessing you were questioning me in saying "I wonder what the odds of you writing a review and that beer getting merged into another within a few hours..." - or perhaps I'm wrong.

    I should have been clearer. I have a large amount of reviews. I've lost quite a few so I've been numbering them lately, and yesterday when I added a new beer my total number of beers no longer matched up. I checked and everything was fine, I didn't make a mistake, one had been removed.

    What that beer might be I have no clue. I've been on here and it's been a lot of years. It may have been something old, it may have been something newer, I have no clue - all I know is that my current numbers don't match up so something was removed.

    That might have been my fault, I'm pretty sure my original review of Harp was taken down because of a complaint, or maybe not. We've seen examples of Anniversary beers being lumped together as one when in fact they were different beers each year. We've seen beers move from one brewery to another (under the same ownership, but still (i.e. Mackeson brewed by Boston Beer Co.) And I'm sure that there have been beers that should have remained together but were separated by the mods just due to error (very similar names, etc.)

    What happened I don't know, but that's why I asked the question. What are the different ways that reviews can be eliminated. Nothing weird here, just asking.
     
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  9. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Hmmm. Also not sure it applies to the original post, but I swear I rated (at least) Starr Hill Northern Lights as it was one of my early craft beers. I do not recall if I had a review, but I seem to recall I was pretty high on rDev given a hint of nostalgia.

    Here was what I thought might have been the case: that I rated it back when you could provide a single rating for the whole beer - perhaps even during that short period when you could give any rating to the hundredths. I thought maybe those old ratings that no longer conform to the 5-category ratings might have been dropped.

    I can't say I recall any totals changing, and perhaps I was mistaken on Northern Lights, but this was still I thought I had based on the "facts" my memory is feeding me.
     
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  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    No I don't think that is the case because I have run across a couple of those "old style" reviews when I have done full reviews of beers (though in order to update them you have to make them comply with the current standards for ratings).
     
  11. cjgiant

    cjgiant Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,584) Jul 13, 2013 District of Columbia
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    Yeah - I have very little to build a case on. I have also seen some old straight ratings fairly recently (even without reviews), but wasn't sure if it maybe could've been something crazy like a subset such as: no review straight ratings that didn't fall on a quarter point.

    No big deal to me, just morbid curiosity to find out if there is an explanation, outside of the explained scenario where there was a merging a beer. On that topic, wouldn't it make sense that someone have had to rate both entries to "lose" a beer? The ratings are "merged" into one, right? One doesn't just lose a beer because the one s/he didn't rate was chosen as the better option to keep, I didn't think.
     
  12. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Correct, they would have had to have reviewed both of the merged entries - that sometimes comes up when a brewery changes the name of a beer (though I don't see a ton of these where you wouldn't know you reviewed it twice).
     
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