"Potentially" High Gravity Stout Help

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  1. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    Quick question. I brewed a 1.131 OG stout last Thursday evening and it is only down to 1.048 as of this morning. It is bubbling about 1-2 times per minute at this point. Yes, I know that isn't a great indicator of activity. My goal was to get it down to the 1.030's somewhere. Do you think I should get a big starter going of another yeast (WLP099???) while it is still fermenting a bit and then toss it in at high krausen. Or, do you think it's likely that it will continue slowly chugging away and might get there anyway on its own? I was not able to add oxygen during the fermentation b/c I don't have a stone. I did make a starter, but I do not think it was as big as I should have made. Well, it was plenty big enough, but the yeast literally oozed out of the beaker while I stepped away for a few hours. Anyway, any help is appreciated. I only have small window today to go grab some yeast from my supplier.
     
  2. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    I did use yeast nutrient and obviously can do so again if I were to pitch a big starter. I'm assuming I should do this while it is still slowly fermenting rather than fully crapping out.
     
  3. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    Well, it appears that White Labs is now saying that 099 could potentially be a diastaticus strain. I don't believe that is what I'm looking for then. I'm going to barrel age this and I'm not looking to introduce that into it at this time. Any other thoughts on high gravity yeasts that I could use to kickstart this fermentation?
     
  4. CarolusP

    CarolusP Zealot (578) Oct 22, 2015 Minnesota

    What yeast did you use? Did you plug your recipe into any calculators to see where it would end up? That's a really big OG. I wouldn't be surprised if you're getting close to terminal gravity, especially if you used any malt extracts to get that high of starting gravity.
     
  5. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,423) May 16, 2015 New York
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    I agree with @CarolusP. You're already around 11% at this point and the alcohol content of it would be a shock to any new yeast you add in there. The fact that it's only been 4-5 days of fermentation also makes me think it may continue to ferment lower -- the possible underpitch because of the lost yeast that escaped the starter, plus the lack of pure oxygen in such a big beer, could lead to a slower fermentation.

    Also, how long before you saw signs of active fermentation?
     
  6. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,077) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    Currently your sitting around 11-13% ABV (alternative method used for high OG beers comes up with 13%). What yeast did you originally pitch? You may have hit alcohol tolerance limits.

    I would give it more time, honestly. It's only been 5 days and it's a very big beer, I bet it will at least drop another few points. However, best way to know for sure is just check the gravity every other day and see how it’s trending.

    What did your grist look like? Mash temp? Fermentation temp? Any details can help troubleshoot a bit more.

    How much bittering did you put in this one? Even mid-1.040 FG if you had enough bittering could end up fantastic. Plus the plan to throw it in a barrel, I would just let it ride… But if you find the taste way too sweet and unbalanced, then maybe you have to pitch a large amount of active, healthy yeast. I would do something like a 1L to 2L step starter and pitch at high krausen in that case to optimize your chances.
     
  7. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    Bourbon County Brand Stout (clone)
    BA Imperial Stout
    All-Grain
    5 Gallons

    1.129 target Original Gravity
    1.095 target Pre-Boil Gravity (7.5 gal)
    1.031 target Final Gravity
    60 IBU
    70+ SRM
    13% ABV

    72% Mash Efficiency Target

    Grain Bill:
    19 lb 2-Row
    6 lb Munich (10L)
    1.25 lb caramel/crystal 60L
    1.25 lb Chocolate Malt
    1.25 lb Roasted Barley
    .75 lb Black Printz (Debittered Black Malt)


    Hop Bill:
    50 IBU Chinook (approx 1.5 oz) at 60 min
    10 IBU Chinook (approx 1 oz) at 30 min
    1 oz Chinook at flame out

    Additional:
    .5 tsp Yeast Nutrient at 15 min


    I used 1056 and stepped it up three times with the last being a 1.5L starter all on stir plates. But, it overflowed and I lost a ton of straight yeast. Fermentation activity was very quick - half a day at the most. I shook my fermentor for fifteen straight minutes since I didn't have a stone. I have roused the yeast multiple times since then. I was hoping the 1056 would get me to roughly 13%, but I'm worried that 1.048 will be very sweet.
     
  8. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    155 mash temp for two hours and 68 degrees initially and ramped up to 71 after a few days
     
  9. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    FWIW, I expect to have about 4.4 gallons when it's finished. So, I boiled a little too long (3 hours +) for what I was going for.
     
  10. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    Just how sweet is this thing gonna be if it finishes in the upper 1.040's??? I've never brewed a beer that finished so high.

    Also, I plan on re-using the yeastcake to make three separate batches of this same base beer. If this is still a drinkable beer even at 1.048, would it be more ideal to not integrate a new yeast into this cake since I plan on pitching onto it as well as barrel aging all three batches?

    So many questions .......
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,533) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If you taste it at 4.4 gal. and at 1.040+ s.g. it certainly has to taste sweet. If it's too sweet I'd consider adding water to get it to where it's supposed to be.
     
  12. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    Yeah, I thought about doing that anyway when I top it off before I put it in the barrel if I don't end up adding some more yeast first.
     
  13. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    Is there any reason to not try to add some fresh yeast? I can't really think of anything other than just possibly wasting some money.
     
  14. Jake_Ramrod

    Jake_Ramrod Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2013 Kentucky

    For clarification purposes, I currently have 4.9 gallons in the fermentor. But, I appear to have about a half gallon of trub.
     
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  15. Platta14

    Platta14 Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2015 Georgia

    I heard Beano could help with stuck fermentations.
     
  16. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,533) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    @Frozyn (and maybe someone else) mentioned in post #5 that the high alcohol may create a toxic environment for the yeast to do their thing, but other than that I can't think of any reason not to try it anyway.
     
  17. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,261) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    So you plan on reusing the same yeast for 3 more batches of 1.1+ beer? That seems like a risky game. You run a high risk of off flavors reusing yeast from that high of gravity. Are direct pitching on the yeast or rinsing? If it were me, I would use 3-4 packs of re-hydrated US-05 for each and skip the starter.
    You mention barrel aging... are all these batches being blended in the same barrel?
     
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  18. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,261) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    You probably won’t hurt anything, but I doubt it will help either. I would let it ride. Take a sample and if it taste good, you’re fine.
     
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  19. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

  20. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    OP I myself have never had success restarting a fermentation. Others have but not me and I was growing the yeast in a lab, centrifuge, bells, whistles, etc.

    Speaking to future batches I don't have an oxygen source either. One thing that has worked pretty good for me is to pour the beer back and forth between the fermenter and sanitized boil kettle the day after brew day.

    It gets some oxygen in there and does seem to help with the fermentation. A homebrewers Yorkshire Square type thing if you will.

    I also think you way underbittered. Anything in the OG100 range always gets at least 100 IBU at 60 min for me.
     
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