Pricing vs Availability

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by rozzom, Nov 14, 2013.

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  1. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    This may not be a ground-breaking topic, but I've never seen a thread dedicated to it.

    A large chunk of posts in the BA forums, are of the missed opportunity variety. You see post after post after post, and countless threads, of people complaining about missing out on buying a beer because it sold out. There are an infinite number of reasons (truck chasers, no limits, line-jumpers, lists, not knowing the beer guy), but it all boils down to the store/brewery not having any left when the person in question tried to buy it.

    So with that said, to me (and from my experience, to several others on here as well), it seems like a no-brainer for breweries to raise prices on special/limited/one-off beers to a level where (I hate to say it) supply comes closer to meeting demand.

    This already happens anyway. The problem is that it is inconsistent, and the people benefitting are not the breweries - instead it's craft(y) store owners and individuals selling on sites such as * etc. And these beers sell, so the demand is clearly out there. Would you not want your favourite local brewery benefitting from the extra $ instead?

    I understand breweries wanting to keep beer accessible, and "for the people". But a brandy barrel-aged stout brewed with cinnamon, cocoa nibs and rosemary, served at 55F in a snifter, is not the working-class ideal people paint beer to be, no matter what way you spin it. I also understand that these limited beers serve as a marketing tool for a brewery's year-round offerings, so jacking the price on a limited release could alienate some of their customer base. But surely there has to be a happy medium. The brewery could publicly donate some/all of the extra $ to charity if they're too concerned about a profit-driven image.

    And to be clear, I am absolutely not suggesting prices go up across the board. A beer such as SNPA should remain unchanged. I'm referring to beers that have expensive ingredients, take up space at the brewery, or in any way are an extra expense for the brewery.

    The only grey area for me would be for beers like Hopslam. Beers that are insanely sought after, but don't involve much in the way of extra cost to produce for the brewery. You wouldn't want to run the risk of these sitting on shelves for any extended period of time. I suppose for hoppy beers such as these, an idea would be to go the PtY route - DONG.

    My question: if you disagree with price increases on limited-release beers, other than the fact that you personally may be getting less beer (2 x KBS rather than 6 x KBS), why?

    And if there are brewers out there, I'd be especially interested to hear your thoughts.
     
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  2. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    If paying more means I have a better chance of getting a beer I really want, I'm happy to do it. Within reason, of course.
     
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  3. zookerman182

    zookerman182 Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Alabama

    If I saw a fresh heady topper four pack on my local beer store shelf in north Alabama I wouldn't have a problem paying $50 for it. Because I know I'll never see it again and it's something I've been wanting to try.

    I felt like $10 a bomber for the new enjoy by was a steal just because who knows when it will come back to Alabama.

    Basically what I'm saying is, ill fork over the cash for limited releases because I know how hard they are to track down in my location.
     
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  4. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    yea were used to discuss prices allot of here. many posts were deleted and of course this new web site lost all the old threads. price is personal thing. what you will pay is what the whole supply versus demand market economy is all about. you know?

    10000 want a rare item = prices goes up. simple
    no demand, price falls.

    the problem is used to be the manufacturer would make more to MEET demand. but now days there are whales (sic)
    and frankly tickers with more cash than sense.:grinning:
     
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  5. lowbit

    lowbit Initiate (0) Jul 24, 2013 Wisconsin

    Some of us will not buy a beer with a hiked-up price just on principle, regardless of whether we can afford it. If I wanted to be part of a crowd that revels in forking out $$$ for the finest elite vintages, I'd be drinking wine.
     
  6. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Not trying to suggest elitism or any sort of cash-flashing mentality is a good thing. Simply saying that if demand for a beer warrants it, perhaps it should be sold for $50 rather than $15. Yes that's going to be a harder decision for someone with a $50 per month beer budget vs someone who has $250 per month to spend, but you can't have everything. Sometimes you have to make choices. It's only beer that seems to me to not work this way, where everyone seems to feel they should be allowed to buy as much of everything as they want.

    And if they aren't able to buy something, it's not because it was priced too cheaply, but rather it's the brewery/distributor/store's fault because the beer is not being distributed and sold in the optimal way for the person in question to get their hands on it.
     
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  7. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

    except wine is gross jk but seriously the only wine vie ever been actually able to drink a full glass of was a beer disguised as a wine Sam Adams Stoneybrook red
     
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  8. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    well put.....sadly beer is trying to be like wine everyday.
     
  9. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    well never drink sours my friend.
     
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  10. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    I wouldn't totally agree, but I get what you mean in a sense.

    But who's fault is that? It's beer geeks like us. We're the ones pushing for sours, barrel aged beers, saisons brewed with XYZ. And we want them served in the correct glassware, at the correct temperature, by people who are knowledgeable about the product. We're the ones to blame.
     
  11. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    na I never pushed for any of that stuff. The brewers are at fault.

    You do not see that stuff going on in Europe and they had so called "Craft beer' for hundreds of years. In fact even in the early days of the young republic, (USA), we used to have good ale here. lol

    I do not really think all beer is try to get like wine, but some brewers are...I can think of a few.
     
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  12. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    I hear you man. I'm from the UK and I'm a big fan of well done, simple styles. And same goes for Germany. But you cannot place the blame squarely on the brewers over here. If people didn't want it, they wouldn't continue to make it. And if they did they wouldn't last long.
     
  13. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    ah but the chicken and egg thoery come in to play. what came first the demand for the beer or the beer. I wager it was the beer.:grinning:
     
  14. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Fair enough. But regardless of what came first, people want those styles now
     
  15. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
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    oh yea or they would not pay 25 bucks for some of this overpriced stuff.
     
  16. Drankin

    Drankin Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2013 Massachusetts

    bad idea. ive been looking for TenFidy and i finally found it for $16 for a 4 pack. Needless to say, I spent $10 and got a 4pack of Old Rasputin. I may be crazy for good beer, but I ain't crazy.
     
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  17. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    If a store was charging $25.00 for a 12 oz. bottle of KBS would you pay that?
     
  18. kerry4porters

    kerry4porters Maven (1,495) Dec 31, 2012 Arizona

    Thanx for the heads up :astonished:
     
  19. hikanteki

    hikanteki Crusader (429) Oct 11, 2013 California
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    Would demand warrant it, though? Limited availability or not, there's no way I'd pay $50 or anywhere near that for a beer. For Bombers, Stone Arrogant Bastard & Bear Republic Black Stout are $4, Firestone Wookey Jack is $6, Ballast Point Sculpin and Victory at Sea are $8. In my opinion these are as delicious as it gets, and all in the single digits price-wise. It's very unlikely that something would be that much better to warrant spending a lot more, or any amount more, than these.
     
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  20. elchicodelgado

    elchicodelgado Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Texas
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    The fact that many will no longer buy it at a higher price is actually the point. Demand would fall to meet the supply .
     
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