Probe placement in cellar

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by michaelg137, Nov 22, 2013.

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  1. michaelg137

    michaelg137 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2013 Ohio
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    Heyya everyone, just recently purchased a mini fridge off CL and converted it into a beer cellar. I picked up the analog temp control from Johnson off of amazon and set it all up but i cant seem to figure out where to put my probe. i ran the probe along side the fridge and snaked it thought the top. At first i had it laying in between bottles on the top rack then recently moved it to hang down between bottles. Any advice on which one is better? i have my temp set to 53 but im getting 55-56 sometimes 57 inside the fridge. Its driving me nuts my temps arent a little lower. Any advice or help would be great! Cheers!
     
  2. Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky

    Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2013 Minnesota

    I've heard people recommend putting it in a bottle of water to get an approximation of the temp inside your beer bottles. It should be more accurate because the liquid inside will not change in temperature as rapidly as the air outside the bottle.






    Probe!
     
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  3. BiereBlanche

    BiereBlanche Initiate (0) Nov 15, 2007 Colorado

    ^^ Agreed.

    If you brew, punch a hole in a White Labs vial, fill it with a bit of water and probe away. Putting the probe in water will keep the fridge compressor from kicking on as often as if it's in air. Open the door and the air temp will shift drastically, but the glass-insulated liquids won't.
     
  4. michaelg137

    michaelg137 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2013 Ohio
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    Perfect. Thanks guys. Is it safe for the probe to go in water? I've heard people putting the digital probe in water, but not the analog one. I havent brewed yet, right now the temp controller is just used for cellar temping
     
  5. nawset

    nawset Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2011 New Hampshire

    I have had the same issue with my JC probe. I tried to find a thermowell online that I could use but haven't been able to. Anyone provide a model/brand? Would be nice to have one that fit into a 12oz bottle.
     
  6. steeb

    steeb Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2013 California

    The analog/digital should not make a difference in the temperature probe, most likely it is the same probe either way. Find a suitable container to let your probe sit in ~10oz of water and youll be fine.

    The discrepancy between your temp controller setting and your measured temp could be calibration. An analog temp controller doesnt have any sort of feedback so whenever it thinks its at your setting itll hold there.
     
  7. michaelg137

    michaelg137 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2013 Ohio
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    So its perfectly safe for me to stick the probe in water without a covering it or anything ? Then just stick that in the fridge ?
     
  8. LuisQ

    LuisQ Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2013 Florida

    does it look like a copper line with a long, more bulbous (rarely get to use that word) end? If so, it's good to go in the water bottle.
     
  9. zrab11

    zrab11 Maven (1,450) Dec 25, 2010 Indiana
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    If your afraid to put the probe in water(like i am).. I took a water bottle and taped the probe to the side of the bottle and took alittle bit of that memory foam and taped that to the probe to insulate it. My cellar stays within 1 degree of the beer temp!
     
  10. michaelg137

    michaelg137 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2013 Ohio
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    Yeah i'm not feeling good about putting the probe in water so i will try that first haha. Thank you. You just used a bottle of water (like aquafina) filled up? What kind of tape did you use?
     
  11. zrab11

    zrab11 Maven (1,450) Dec 25, 2010 Indiana
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    Used a aquafina bottle of water. Put the probe half way down the bottle and used electrical tape to tape the probe to the bottle.. Then took alittle memory foam and put that over the taped probe and used packaging tape to tape the memory foam to the bottle..
     
  12. billverstein

    billverstein Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2011 Canada (ON)

    I punched a hole in the lid of a glass San Pellegrino bottle (filled with tap water) and have my copper probe in there
    I get great temperature results and my freezer rarely kicks on

    Why are you guys afraid of putting the probe in water?
     
  13. michaelg137

    michaelg137 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2013 Ohio
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    Thats a good question haha. I should just go for it huh? Is the entire probe submerged in water?
     
  14. drgonzo2k2

    drgonzo2k2 Pundit (909) Aug 24, 2012 Missouri

    Yeah, I have mine in a bottle of water on the middle shelf of my cellar fridge, with the temp set to 52 degrees.

    It's been that way for quite some time, and the probe and temp regulator have worked just fine.

    I initially had it in a bottle of water that I had drilled a whole through the plastic cap.

    When I moved I just used the first bomber that I purchased in my new town, filled it with water, and put the probe in that.

    I really think this is the way to go.
     
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  15. jacobbocce72

    jacobbocce72 Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2011 Texas

    Figured this was the best place to put this...

    A couple of questions about my Johnson Temp controller I just purchased. This is set up in a standard fridge/freezer combo (pardon my ignorance ahead of time):

    I currently have the probe taped (with electrical tape) to the outside of a beer bottle corked and filled with water. I tried to just put it in a glass bottle of water, but it kept tipping over and spilling. Is this method accurate? I guess I could find a plastic bottle and drill a hole in the cap if needed.

    Question 1 and question 2 are kind of tied together. I set the SP at 55 last night with default settings for everything else. Snaked the the cord up through the top of the fridge and its reading 49... I should be plus/minus 5 right? Am I doing something wrong?

    Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  16. michaelg137

    michaelg137 Initiate (0) Oct 18, 2013 Ohio
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    What i did was fill a bottle of water... drilled a hole in the top of that and put the temp probe in there and stuck that in the back corner of the fridge and set my temp to 54 and i get near perfect readings. I have a digital thermometer hanging in there and if i open the fridge a few times throughout the day it may read 57 or 58 but the fridge hardly kicks on. I would try doing this and see what kind of readings you get. Also, Every once in a while ill temp my beer right when i take it out and its pretty damn close to 54/55 every time... Let me know how it goes!

    Cheers!
     
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  17. jacobbocce72

    jacobbocce72 Initiate (0) Dec 18, 2011 Texas

    Looks like it just had to get the fridge up to 55... I put the temp controller in a roughly 45 degree fridge with quite a bit of beer initially. Hit a "cold" spell here in Texas, so the garage was way too cold for the fridge temp to increase at all. Now that things have warmed up it's holding right at 55.

    Haven't poured a beer to check beer temp. but will sometime this weekend.
     
  18. Rizalini

    Rizalini Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2011 Nevada

    49 is fine. Yes, you should be +/- 5 degrees, but when you're 6 degrees cooler than your SP, your fridge isn't going to warm up to hit 50. Anything between 46-56 is good!
     
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