Procured a whisky Barrel, now what

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by imtroy703, Jul 12, 2013.

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  1. chodog

    chodog Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2010 California

    top it off with beer
     
  2. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    Unless you want watered down beer, you need to brew more periodically and fill it up to compensate for the angel's share loss, depending on how long you want it in the barrel.
     
  3. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Going to stay in Bbl until a local bar gets a Founders KBS bbl. going to have a fundraiser with the 1/6th bbl they will buy off of me. Get a KBS, donate $5 fr a Pleasant Prairie Homebrewers Assoc and receive a glass of a WIsky BBL Empirial Stout. Or something like that. Have to has out the details. So it will be in the bbl for 6 months at least
     
  4. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Might have to get an 11th batch. Anyone near Pl Prairie, WI and want to get in on it? Buy the kit, brew, and pay a $20 rental fee for bbl. Then you get ~ 5 gals when done.
     
  5. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Put into secondary 6 of the carboys last night. All of em smelled SOOOO nice! I think I am going to quickly brew another one of the Northern Brewer Imperial Stouts and delay getting it into the brbl for a week (Initially doing it Oct 4th). I want the entire brbl filled to the top (no head space).
     
  6. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    So the bourbon barrel took all eleven 5 gallon carboys. There was about 3 gallons of space left in the barrel. So I put the rest of my already carbed up pale ale into it. It still had lots of room so and I then stuck a tube into the barrel and blew CO2 into it.

    I am going to order another Imperial stout kit and in 2 weeks put that into the bourbon barrel as well. Does this all sound ok?
     
  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Any leaks? You didn't mention an air lock on the barrel, but something to consider.
     
  8. dgthrasher

    dgthrasher Crusader (412) Dec 27, 2008 Connecticut
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    I have two 53 barrels in my basement. That I have filled over the last year. What I have learned.

    1. If you have a bunch of people brew, not eveyone will bring a full 5 gallons, 4.75, etc. the small differences add up, get an extra 10 gallons, this should be enough for top up over the next year.

    2. Plan on how to get in and take out of the barrel, its too heavy to lift. I use Co2, and a two hole stopper (one for a racking cane one for Co2.

    3. Assume you will get 50 gallons out, if you get more great. But assume a loss. Factor this in to how much a person puts in how much they will get.. this way no one is disappointed.

    4. Pick reliable people, if your not brewing everything and don't start filling until you have all the beer present, and you know is good. (1/2 full will cause oxidation)
     
  9. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Can you guys see the pictures? They were in here last night.

    Airlock? This thing is air tight. On the side there was a bung, we just hammered this back in.

    Nope, no leaks. I was pleasantly shocked. I can still fit an easy 2 gallons in this, so we are making another baatch to put into this, hopefully within 2 weeks. When I poured the boiling water over the tops, a little bourbon leaked out that sort of worried me. but all ok.

    The 10 extra gallons is exactly what I will do next time! Also, know exactly how much the barrel will fill. I got an estimate that this was between 53 and 55 gals. And I had 11 5 gal carboys. Should have had two extra ones done. In case of exccess that didn't fit in the barrel, then you have some to taste with and without.

    There are also little oak chips floating around. Most likely left over from the bourbon. That was pretty cool to see.

    I will let everyone know when this gets into Mikey's in Pleasant prairie. They are buying two of the barrels smaller kegs when they have KBS on tap. Should be a pretty cool party. I hope some of you can come down and enjoy it.
     
  10. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You and the bar owner should look into the legality of doing this. It is not legal. The owner could even lose his license.
     
  11. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I mentioned the air lock thing because I've seen beers being aged in barrels that had an airlock thru the bung. I presume the use of one would depend on how quickly after fermentation that the beer went into the barrel vs. the confidence that it is absolutely done fermenting. I'd hate to see you blow the bung out due to the lack of an easy escape for any pressure build-up.
     
  12. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    These guys are pretty smart and I am sure they know what they can and cannot do. One of the owners is a prof at UW-Parkside (CPA, JD).
     
  13. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Come to think of it, we needed to get the bung out and we put in a screw to help. I might just put in an airlock. The screw is still in there (it is stainless steel). Thanks for the rec'n
     
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  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    In Wisconsin, you can't sell your homebrew. Neither can Mikey's. Not even if the owner is pretty smart.
     
  15. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey


    This subject comes up from time to time. I don't know the state law there, but the first problem I do see is the donation. If it's mandatory, it's not really a donation, it's paying for a drink (same goes for the requirement to buy KBS I think). In my opinion, you would have to give free samples and accept donations separately.

    In Jersey, I'm pretty sure they couldn't even be given out as free samples in a bar as "drinks on the house" technically have to be paid for by the house and you can't sell homebrew (unless you get around the law by having a private function - like a homebrew meeting for instance).

    But like you said, the owner would know best and it's in his best interest to get it right.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Hmmm. Did I miss something about a donation? I though OP said they were selling their beer to the bar...

    Edit: I see the previous post about $5 donations that the bar would collect. Even if that's legal in WI (don't know), OP can't sell homebrew to the bar in the first place.
     
  17. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    Oops, no, I missed that second part. First tholm273 said there would be a donation.

    EDIT:
    Totally agree. I've read that federal law prohibits but I'm sure that all state laws regarding homebrew also do.

    But I suppose there is no point in directing this thread into a debate about selling homebrew. OP has his warning, I'm sure the owner will figure it out (if he comes up with a way around the law, super). I'm still very interested to find out how it tastes in the end.
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You can't sell homebrew, as per Federal Law that enables us to homebrew.

    You can donate it to an educational functions in some states, where the homebrew is not charged for. The owner should check the state laws thoroughly.
     
  19. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Big thread drift. One of the bar owners BOUGHT A KIT, PAID FOR HIS SHARE OF BARREL FEE, I MADE THE KIT, AND I PUT IT INTO THE BARREL. HE OWNES 5 GALLONS OF HOME BREW. To shorten the all caps, I said that the bar "bought a keg". Back to the original subject at hand, lets not beat a dead horse gize.

    We are brewing another batch of Imp Stout tonight to fill in the rest of the barrel. We plan on primary for 7-10 days, then xfer to secondary to get as much settling and yeast out as possible. Then xfer to the Wiskey Barrel to fill to capacity. I am also considering an airlock, but I think most of the fermenting is done and there will be no other worries. I can check this thing daily for any pop-out issues.
     
  20. epk

    epk Pundit (849) Jun 10, 2008 New Jersey

    No need for the caps, we can read and you could have just put that in the first place.

    And since you clarified your intentions, I'll add with... Based on this, I'd say Wisconsin actually has a more comprehensively written law than Jersey (ours is short and vague in my opinion), specifically allowing transport and giving out samples or gifts of homebrew. If I'm reading correctly, it even has a part that allows homebrew to be given out in bars and such, which is your plan. As long as you don't charge of course.

    As for the airlock, like mothergoose03 mentioned, I've also seen them on barrels at commercial establishments. Personally I don't see a need for it, but others have stated that temp changes could push the bung out. So, even if you can check on it daily, why bother with the risk I suppose? I guess thats the line of thinking.
     
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