Proposing a new list

Idk they seemed to understand your point pretty well. You seem like your throwing a tantrum about it more than anything. Don't you think hitting your WANTS can adjust a trade or maybe a past trading partner wants to make the trade? I would always take a past trading partner over someone new. THAT is building relationships that you seem so adamant about.

And also don't you think meeting a BA in person is going to build a better relationship rather than sending emails back and forth for a week?

 

Unfortunately, it's just one of the situations you have to chalk up to a personal bad experience. You can definitely make your own list of people who auction and who you wouldn't want to trade with at any point. A lot of people are in this to win, and that sucks, but at the same time, you also need to recognize the source of your ire here: "I sent them a beermail about what they wanted, and they didn't choose me so I got what I wanted."

 

We've all been there OP. At some point, you may also do it. All you can do is chalk it up to a not meant to happen and move on. Tell the other trader that if his current deal falls through, yours still stands.

 

CanIgetaKingHenrybadabadabadaba WegotaRarebadabadabadabadaba RareplusaKingHenrybadabadabadaba SOLD! To the man with the Dave.

 

Sorry OP, this seems like sour grapes to me, no offense. So you will not be getting the bottles you didn't know you had a shot at until the ISO was posted anyway. You are not out anything. It sounds like it is just frustration due to not getting beers you want.

Yes, the vast majority of the population will take the better deal. Make a list if you want, it will not stop others from trading with them if they have bottles that are in demand and they are not "bad traders" per se. Fact is, some will want the bottles enough that they will offer a better deal than what is asked for just to lock in the trade.

Put them on an Auctioneers list if you want so you can "punish" them by not trading with them (which ironically seems to be what they were doing to you). Fact is, bottles are king here, and it's not going to do a bit of good if they have good bottles and someone else things they will be getting a fair deal when trading for them.

 

I've only responded to 1 ISO:FT but I clearly responded to what they wanted and added, is there anything else you're looking for? I get it if its for whales that they ask for more and it gets annoying, but the response I got was great, guy said he just wanted what he listed so I tossed in some extras. Maybe I assume that people want more given the chance, but I don't see the big deal in just saying "there anything else you looking for?" And negotiating from there. If you can't get it, then tell them. At worst, you get a heads up over others for your openness to adding more

 

I can get behind your concept in spirit, but I think it's impossible to quantify, and also something that everybody has done at some level. I mean, when you get a flood of offers, do you not pick out one of the ones that you like the best? Maybe it's not the rarest, or the biggest, but it's probably not the first one that landed in your inbox.

I'm not a fan of playing offers off of one another, and that's pretty much a line where I'll stop dealing with the person if they try that. But, even then, that is totally the norm when dealing with whales. Nobody would ever put up "FT: Dave ISO: you tell me" and then choose the first reasonable offer that comes in without modifications.

Lastly, people who do this egregiously with basic shelf releases only hurt themselves. Nobody wants this kind of person for a trading partner, and nobody is going to bend over backwards with awesome extras for somebody that squeezed every last penny out of the trade.

 

can someone give me a clear definition of "advocacy" and how actions x, y, and z violate it?

"you're not an advocate" has become the "no true scotsman" of the beer world.

most of the people here are advocating the convenience of in-person trades; you can meet new friends and share beer, many more times down the line. how is that less "advocacy" than picking a shipping trade?

you can do all sorts of wordplay with this one. "advocacy" is a nebulous, overused argument.

 

It can be argued that actions X,Y, and Z violate the spirit of being a BA, but it's too much work for such a pointless topic, not to mention I don't think those actions violate the spirit of being a BA

 

I get where the OP is coming from on this one but really no fair way to create such a list. Just keep a personal list and dont trade with those folks in the future.

The type of trader's mentality referenced by the OP is one of the reasons why I have dropped off the trading scene almost entirely. People put up threads proposing clear and straightforward bottle for bottle trades and then delay, delay, delay as long as possible to get as much as possible even though the exact beers they are seeking in their trade proposal have been offered up by countless traders. My personal favorite is the trader who puts up this exact type of trade proposal and then indicates they have to be off-line from that point forward for the next 48-72 hours. Reallly? That is usually not on my must-do list before I head out of town for the weekend.

Underwear-CHECK, toothbrush-CHECK, toiletries-CHECK, multiple trade proposals put on Ba-CHECK.

Call me jaded. The trading game blows these days.

 

So you want to make a list for people that don't trade with you because they already agreed on or are in the process of agreeing on a trade with someone who beat you to the punch AND made a better offer than you? I say we make a list for you called the "Whiny trader list"!!!

 

The "unintended consequence" here is that people will just stop posting exact ISOs (wherever possible) if that kind of behavior gets you on a list.

My main difficulty with the OP's idea is that it is just so hyper-subjective, and I personally would hesitate to brand people on such terms.

 

I love IP trades. It means that I have to pay little to nothing more than what I've already spent (maybe plus extras), and I usually make a friend. Well, at least I usually like them; they probably think I'm a putz.

 

Well, you don't have to look
They are just supposed to be there for our benefit IMO. Whether or not to use them? The choice is yours.

 

Maybe people just need to phrase how they decline a negotiation better. How do these sound in comparison:

"Sorry, but I got a better offer from someone else."
versus
"Sorry to let you down, but I am in negotiations with someone regarding some of my higher priority wants."

Twice the typing and twice the tact can save a lot of grief and open new trades in the future.

Me, I could care less when I get shut down. Disappointed for sure, but we've all been on both ends.

 

Yung Go Hardz and tact don't exactly go hand in hand these days.

Unless you're some real sophisticated sh#ts like ourselves, brotha.

 

OP, I think you need to calm down a little. No one is obligated to trade with you especially if they already have a better offer than yours. It's not like you are out anything. If you really want to get that trade done just post it yourself.

I love IP trades and will continue posting them. I'm sorry they rustle your jimmies.

An auctioneer list would be a bad idea because the whole thing would be based on assumptions. Seems like a slippery slope of slander.

 

Try saying THAT 5 times fast!

 

It's actually pretty easy for me since I speak Parseltongue.

 

Completely and totally disagree. If you don't like the way someone trades, don't trade with them. We don't need a list to accomplish that, especially with your inane definition of what would be on there.