Pump challenges

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by far333, Nov 29, 2015.

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  1. far333

    far333 Pooh-Bah (2,306) Nov 16, 2002 Connecticut
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    I'm relatively new to using a pump in my brewing process, and am finding that I sometimes have trouble getting liquids to move at full capacity, and am wondering if I'm not priming it properly, or opening and closing valves in the right order. My process is:

    - Open valve on the vessel with liquid that is to be sent into the pump (to allow liquid to run into the pump and prime it)
    - Turn on pump
    - Open flow control valve on pump output
    - Open valve on vessel into which liquid will be sent

    I got the pump secondhand without directions or advice, so I used this approach thinking it would keep the liquid moving progressively through the system without introducing air, but often it flows very slowly. Sometimes it eventually catches up and speeds up, but not always.

    Also, the pump is mounted toward the bottom of the brewstand so that input liquid is flowing down into it using gravity. I have varying heights for valves for HLT, MLT, and kettle, but all are above the pump.

    Is there a specific process that will work better than this?

    Thanks
     
  2. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    The only thing I do differently is turning the pump on is my last step. I open all valves (input, output, kettle) and try and fill the pump/tubing completely (minimize air) before I shoot the juice to the pump. Occasionally some air is trapped in the lines, but they seem to always flood-out in less than a minute. What type pump are you using?
     
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  3. far333

    far333 Pooh-Bah (2,306) Nov 16, 2002 Connecticut
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    Little Giant
     
  4. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    A little extra gravity to get the pump flowing is all you need.
     
  5. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Unless I'm mistaken, that is an aquarium/pond pump and is not made for pumping hot liquids.

    Edit: never mind ...I guess they make solar/hot water pumps, too
     
  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Could be wrong, but after scanning their website, I don't think Little Giant makes food grade pumps.
     
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  7. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    Do you have a model number?

    March pumps are magnetically coupled to the motor and, sometimes; the motor will spin but the pump will not. I have stopped my pump, waited until the rotor stops turning completely, then restarted to get it going. At times, I have to do this several times.
     
  8. far333

    far333 Pooh-Bah (2,306) Nov 16, 2002 Connecticut
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    3-MD-MT-HC
    The info I found on the internet didn't specify food grade or not, but the person who gave it to me was a former professional brewer and had used it in his homebrew setup for many years before upgrading to a chillzilla.
     
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  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Food grade is a selling point for pumps that manufacturers will specify IF it's food grade. Your pump isn't likely to be food grade. There isn't a reputable homebrew vendor selling Little Giant pumps. Food grade homebrew pumps are made by March, Chugger or some random Chinese vendor selling on Ebay.
     
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  10. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    Your pump, Little Giant 3-MD-MT-HC, is a magnetically coupled pump and motor. At 1/25th HP. any resistance may cause the motor and pump magnetics to decouple resulting in the motor spinning without rotating the centrifugal pump rotor.

    Turn it off, wait for everything to stop rotating and turn it back on until you get flow.

    From the Little Giant Web page - Circulation of highly corrosive acids, alkalis, solvents, brine, plating solutions, sterile solutions, and other highly corrosive chemicals and solutions that are compatible with the pump's material of construction.
    http://www.littlegiantpump.com/products/industrial/magnetic-drive-pumps/hc-series/3-md-mt-hc/

    Their Specification sheet http://www.littlegiantpump.com/media/130834/995778.pdf

    Says it is rated to liquid temperatures to 200 degrees F. And:

    NOTE: Consult your local distributor or the


    factory for applications with higher ambient

    temperatures, specific gravities and viscosities.

    I found no statement of Food Grade compatibility...
     
  11. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    Remember they used to put lead in the glaze they used for dinner plates, people used to eat off of pewter plates that contained lead. Call Little Giant and ask. The phone call won't kill you. 1-844-250-4982
     
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  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

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  13. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    But, that is just the pump housing and some of the components like the impeller. What about all the other components. Usually if a pump has a food grade rating, the manufacturer puts that information up in the specification. Little Giant didn't for this pump for what ever reason. I'd call just for the peace of mind.
     
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  14. far333

    far333 Pooh-Bah (2,306) Nov 16, 2002 Connecticut
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    Thanks for your help everyone.

    The epilogue to the story is that I did call Franklin Electric today (maker of Little Giant) and learned that my model pump is not food grade, nor is any pump they make.

    Thanks WertMaker for supplying the phone number, and thanks to all who noted the risk with this pump. I guess I have a new item for my Christmas list.

    Next question - should I not be drinking this batch of beer, and what risk have I placed myself in by drinking previous batches?
     
  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    It's impossible for any of us to determine what level of risk you have incurred. It's possible you have ingested very small amounts of chemicals the FDA hasn't approved for mass consumption. This doesn't necessarily mean it will cause a health problem. Your doctor can make that determination.

    Drinking the current batch isn't something I'd do. The additional risk isn't worth the reward.
     
  16. WertMaker

    WertMaker Initiate (0) Jan 17, 2009 Oregon

    At least now, you have a nice pump for that small water feature in the brewery... :rolling_eyes:
     
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  17. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    i wouldnt worry too much that little giant pump is one that many homebrewers use
     
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