PVW DL

I have an honorary doctorate from a clown college.

 

I hope you're right, but I'm not counting on it

 

Chocolate Rain always traded more reasonably than any BA Dark Lord has.

Given the way they tweak each BA DL, I think people (read: people who trade them) will still treat each one as a one-off. For example, bourbon Dark Lord and PvW Dark Lord are the same thing, but because they're named differently, people treat them as different beers. Compare that against the different batches of Black Tuesday (which have different ABVs, therefore they're demonstrably different beers) or Churchill's Finest Hour (different blends) and you'll see the different standards.

There's an active cult of misinformation surrounding BA Dark Lord's supposed rarity.

 

I wish I could still link back to the old site to verify this claim, but my admittedly cloudy memory seems to think you're glad that I can't...

Out of curiosity, do you consider all of the Eclipse series to be the same beer as well? Also, I was under the impression that, although they are all called the same name, each of the Churchill's Finest Hours tend to trade quite a bit differently, and people tend to specify a vintage when discussing them. As for Black Tuesday, do people not still covet the '09 vintage, to the point where it is basically considered a completely different beer?

 

Shrug.

Yes, pretty equivalent. But it's a thinner beer where you can pick the whiskey out more, and none of them trade like anything rare.

When discussing them, I see people refer to it as "a beer that comes out every year." So I disagree.

I think that's more just "it was first" rather than an admission that each year is different. See Darkness 07, Dark Lord 06, etc.

 

Does Miguel Cabrera even lift defense and steal bases, bro?

 

Please, you know midwest baseball players are whales bro. I had Trout shipped to me through my reserve society.

 

Can we get confirmation on this? Is this pure speculation, or somehow been proven?

 

I guess I just don't understand what you're accusing this "cult of misinformation" of misinforming people about. There are eight different variants, each with a certain number of bottles released. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

And before you come back with "yeah but they are all basically the same and the real bottle count is in the thousands", why, then, do people seek out specific variants instead of just posting "ISO: Any BA Dark Lord"? A year and a half ago after they sold some of the extra -bal Dark Lords at the XV party, a wave of Brandy Dark Lords flooded the trade forums, all trying to trade for other variants, with very few of them getting done. There has to be a reason for that, no?

 

His contention is that the brand of barrels they were aged in should not matter (which, FWIW, I actually agree with to a point).

 

Er, what I mean is that PvW is a type of bourbon. I find it a little funny that bourbon is now subdivided into "Pappy" and "not Pappy." Can people even tell the difference in a blind test? I know my friends have mixed up brandy and bourbon Angel's Share, so it's not like these things jump out at everyone.

 

A CR b1 will pull a de meurte and a brandy DL. And it's news to me that 2012 bourbon dl was aged in PVW barrels.

 

Mostly in the double standards the way the BA Dark Lords are presented as unique variants compared to other beers across the country which have similar uniqueness across vintages or what-have-you.

I didn't mean to imply the variants aren't distinct. But they are treated as more distinct than other beers that are equally distinct. Two in the pink and one in distinct. Distinct.

 

Interesting. In one of my ISOs someone asked for two CR batch 1s for a Cognac De Muerte.

Read my post above yours.

 

Funny how this anti-BA DL campaign launches so close to DLD this year. It's like watching a moronic version of the Iowa caucus.

 

I think the real reason for this is because they haven't seen the bump in production that the others have. They're just behind the curve, in that respect. People used to care about the "distinct-ness" of Eclipse variants much more before they upped production and started distributing across the country. PVW Eclipse, if I recall, was the beer that started the PVW trend, no?

 

Most of us on here are experts so it isnt an issue

 

BT '09 is different in many ways. Read the blog, talk to the people who were there, and you'll realize what a colossal shit show that brew day was. Sure the beer turned out great, but due to all the screwups, there was a significant change in process needed to make it. When they brewed it again and got the process down, many things were changed that makes for a very different beer. Just had the entire vertical about a month ago, and while not humongosly "better" or "worse" it is characteristically different.

 

That's fair, though I want to reiterate that there are as many bottles of any individual BA Dark Lord as there are of any blend of CFH, so it's not just a hard numbers issue that creates the discrepancy. It's a perception thing.

Possibly, I never remember Eclipse being that desirable aside from PvW. I'll defer to you on what started the PvW trend, I wasn't paying attention.

 

on this specific one, yes, taste pappy, taste rebel yell (or old fitz, bernheim, elijah craig, etc.) there is a difference that is quite perceivable to even a bourbon novice.