I'm not sure something like this has been posted before and if it has I do apologize in advance. I been around BA for quite sometime now and just recently decide to start trading beers. I had few successful trade and really enjoying the beers that I cant find here in CA. Recently I came across this question about $4$ system. When I ask the price of the bottles and most are the same as other but some are bit more than I have seen (of course store vs brewery can make differences). The part that I wanted to find what you guys think about $4$. When you put down the value of the beer that you purchase from store or brewery do you add tax and crv? or just shelf tag price?
Everyone pays taxes, travel, and shipping. That shouldn't factor in to the trade. Most people use MSRP for value, you can ask for what you paid for, but people might not accept your terms
Not everyone pays taxes, so I don't see a problem with quoting the amount of money you actually handed over to get the beer. I agree with the rest of your post entirely, though. People need to remember that a) if you got ripped off, that's your problem - not your trading partner's; b) no one cares how far you drove or how long you stood in line; and c) trading on the forum is a marketplace, plain and simple, and if you try to ask for more than a beer is usually worth there will probably be someone there to undersell you. MSRP is the way to go, unless of course you got a bargain and want to do some underselling of your own by passing on the savings and making your trade offer more appealing relative to the average.
Why should I pay taxes to your state, exactly? My state has no sales taxes, but we make it up in income and property taxes. Perhaps I should send you part of that bill?
The issue of $4$!!! Are we still doing this argument? It should just be decided once and for all. But the final decision is on the understanding of the truth. $4$ is simply one of the variables of the ideal trade. Any comlplex economic formula involves crazy looking Greek symbols, just like the one on Kuhnenn Bourbon Barrell Fourth Dementia. $4$, thats a crazy symbol too. So too is whatever would be for perceived rarity, something different from actual or real. The ideal trade would be zeros on each side, which would be akin to smily faces. $4$ should be taken into account, at exactly the same rate as everything else. BUT WAIT! Whats the problem then? The reason for dismay is not economics, but the fact that people WANT "the other beer." People want to spend money on their side that will equate to the same, or BETTER, buying power on the other side. Thats cool for beer you did LITTLE work for. But when the issue of work, and complex work at that becomes invloled, the issue will be complicateted as poeple WANT to be comlensated for their work. Thats a lot of complications. SO dont forget the above trade, and IM super looking for Dirty Horse somewhere out there.
Would you refuse to cover the sales tax if you were asking someone to do a goandpickitupformebro? I would hope so. Why should you compensate a trading partner less than you would someone picking up a beer for you?
For the guys arguing over sales tax or not... do you really bring up a few percentage difference when determining $4$? maybe i'm the exception, but my "negotiations" on trades seem to be a lot more casual than that... like "oh that's about right" or "no big deal, jsut throw me a local single or something"....
Agreed. If I want a beer, I'm not going to let a few dollars in tax derail the trade. Additionally, I don't mind someone telling me what they actually paid for the beer - whether it was above MSRP. If I'm willing to consider spending my time and effort packaging beers to mail across the country, I'm probably not going to object over a few bucks.
No, not really. I mean, the price I pay for a beer might vary by 20% depending on which store I buy it from. But I do consider it a ... not quite red, but let's say yellow flag if someone makes a point to include tax in the costs that they quote to me.
This $4$ thing makes little sense to me, who the hell has the time to know what the MSRP of each beer is accross the country? I trade for Beer I want for Beer that I have (sometimes it because I have multiple, or don't want or whatever the reason) The key is I always try to be fair so that both sides of the trade are happy.
I sadly pick up way too much info about that through osmosis... I just ballpark $4$ and I've never had an issue with anybody. +/- 10% seems to be a non-factor for most people, and extras almost always end up determining who ends up with a more valuable box.
