Question about formulating a DIPA recipe

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  1. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    So I'm planning on making a DIPA this weekend and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a good base malt that I can use besides 2 Row/Pale Ale malt. Reason I'm asking is I've been using that malt almost exclusively for my past three brews and I wanted to try something different this time. I've used Maris Otter once and liked that one but I wanted to hear some other suggestions if possible. For hops I'm going to be using Chinook exclusively. Thanks for the feedback!
     
    #1 A2HB, Feb 26, 2015
  2. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

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  3. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Pearl, Golden Promise, Marris Otter, Golden Promise, Halcyon are all good options for something a little more interesting than 2 row. I sometimes like to split between 2 row and one of these as well, IE 50% Marris Otter and 50% 2 row.
     
    #3 ChrisMyhre, Feb 26, 2015
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  4. CFC10

    CFC10 Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2015 Idaho

    I would add Golden Promise to this list.
     
    #4 CFC10, Feb 26, 2015
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  5. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I like all base malts more than American 2 row, so there's that...
     
    #5 Brew_Betty, Feb 26, 2015
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  6. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    I use Pearl in my IPA and I love the results.
     
    #6 OddNotion, Feb 26, 2015
  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Simpson's and Thomas Fawcett are a little different. ;-)
     
    #7 hopfenunmaltz, Feb 26, 2015
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  8. drewbeerme

    drewbeerme Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2007 Illinois

    I second using English pale malts (for American malts I like Rahr Pale Ale and Great Western Northwest Pale).

    I've wanted to try 100% Vienna or Gambrinus ESB malt for an IPA but have never gotten around to it. For a IIPA you could just add some sugar in the boil. It'd probably be fairly malty but not sweet.

    Also going the other direction a nice german pilsner malt would work well for a IIPA.
     
    #8 drewbeerme, Feb 26, 2015
  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I use pils for everything these days. I also used some Golden Naked Oats in an American pale ale and flaked oats in a DIPA and liked the results so much that these malt bases have become my APA and DIPA malt structures.
    APA
    77% Belgian pils
    12.8% Munich
    7% GNO
    3% C60
    The oats really give the beer a nice biscuit background

    I don't have the DIPA recipe in front of me, but it is the one from BYO for Lawson's Double Sunshine. It's somewhere in this forum as well. I'm too lazy to search for it though.
     
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  10. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I'll second (third?) the golden promise suggestion. 100% GP would make a delicious DIPA
     
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  11. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    Pearl malt sounds interesting. As does Golden Promise. What are the flavor profiles for those two? I like beers that have that biscuity taste in the background to the hops. Thanks for the suggestions so far
     
    #11 A2HB, Feb 26, 2015
  12. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    I just did my first IPA with Pearl, and it will be my standard over Golden Promise. Liked them both but the Pearl is just outstanding and what I was looking for in my IPA.
     
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Pretty sure Heady uses pearl as the base.
     
    #13 SFACRKnight, Feb 26, 2015
  14. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    I've never had Heady but if I ever see it I will try for sure
     
    #14 A2HB, Feb 26, 2015
  15. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    Ok so I think I'm going to go with the Pearl. Or maybe a Pearl/Golden Promise Mix I'll have to decide on that. I only have a 5 gal mash tun so I have to keep it to a smallish batch to get my O.G. Think I'm going to go with

    Either 11 lbs of straight Pearl or 5.5 lbs Pearl/5.5 lbs GP
    1.5 lbs Carapils

    Mash @ 152 for 75 min

    Batch sparge to 5 or so gallons

    75 min boil

    @60 2 oz Chinook
    @30 1 oz Chinook
    @5 2 oz Chinook
    @0 2 oz Chinnok

    Dry hop with 2-3 oz Chinook

    Yeast will be some US-05 slurry that I have

    Hoping this will get me 4 gallons of ~8.5% beer

    Does this look ok? Any suggestions on the hop schedule?
     
    #15 A2HB, Feb 27, 2015
  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin


    Where are you getting these numbers from? I ran a quick recipe with my set up and your recipe produced bitter rocket fuel. Do you have a recipe calculator?
     
    #16 Brew_Betty, Feb 27, 2015
  17. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan


    No I didn't use a calculator I just threw that together in my head. What would you suggest, to make it more balanced? To my eye that doesn't look overly hoppy but maybe I should rethink this...

    I am using whole cone hops also, I forgot to mention that
     
    #17 A2HB, Feb 27, 2015
  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I suggest you use a calculator. If you use the calculator at Brewers Friend, you can provide us a link to your recipe and will get better subjective recipe advice.

    Chinook and Pearl will make a fine beer, if you like Chinook. The quantities you specified produced something like 13% abv and 170ibu using my setup which would make a very rough beer. It's possible my inputs where off a bit based on the info you provided.

    http://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/calculator/

    Use this link. Make a recipe. Provide a link to your recipe. Get subjective advice.
     
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  19. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    Ok so when I said I threw it together, what I meant was i used brewers friend to throw together a recipe that I just thought up in my head. I actually used that site when I was thinking of this recipe a few nights ago and it said using 12.5 lbs of malt with 5 gal boil size for a 4 gal fermenter size would give me ~8.4-9.1% beer, depending on how well the yeast attenuate. How are you getting 13% from 12.5 lbs malt and 4 gallon batch?

    It does say that the hops are at 150+ IBU's but I never really bothered to use that the last few times. I thought that humans can't perceive anything over 100 IBU's? That's what I thought I read at least. So whenever it gets over 100 I just ignore it. I dunno, I'm still a big time newbie so maybe I shouldn't do that
     
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  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I made an entry error with my software and didn't catch it. 13% is wrong for a 4 gallon batch. 8.5% is more like it. Sorry.

    Chinook is one of the most rough hops in terms of perceived bitterness per IBU. I personally would not enjoy a 150+ Chinook ibu beer with a relatively low finishing gravity. Maybe you will? I'm not scared of bitter beers. Most of the IPAs I make are 90-120ibu, but they have less bittering hops and more IBU from the flavor hops. 80ibu from Chinook as a 60 minute addition will test your tolerance for bitterness.
     
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