Question about formulating a DIPA recipe

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  1. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Just finished drinking the last of a 9.5% DIPA batch that was 91% ESB malt. Loved it!
     
  2. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You must be talking purely theoretical IBUs. If Tinseth or Rager says 150+ IBUs (or even 90-120 IBUs), reality will be much lower. The real life utilization curves flatten out big time above 65 IBUs or so. If only there were a calculator that took this into account.
     
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  4. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Yes
     
  5. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

    For my IPAs I look for smooth hop flavor with little bitterness. I have been brewing 4 gallon (pre boil) batches to get 3 gallon in the fermenter and 2.5 gal in my bottling bucket. My fist go I used .5 oz Centennial (8.6%AA) @ 60 min and it is stingingly bitter. Next batch I used .25 oz Rudi (14.6%AA) FWH (added to boil kettle prior to boiling) and it is as smooth as the day is freezing effing cold in IA. To my eyes 2 oz chinook at 60 would shred your tongue with bitterness, IMHO.
     
  6. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

  7. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I think you will like that better than the first recipe. You could maybe add another oz of Chinook at flame out.
     
  8. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    what are you using for water?
     
  9. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan

    I was planning on using RO mixed with boiled tap water. I'm not sure what the numbers are for my tap water but I think I will add small amounts of gypsum and calcium chloride to see if it makes the beer taste better. Is mixing tap and RO a good way to go or should I just use straight RO? I don't have a pH pen unfortunately so I have no idea what the alkalinity of my tap water is
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    My 2 cents: If you don't know what's in you tap water, find out. If you can't find out, use just RO and build your mineral profile on a clean slate. Mash pH is kind of important. And I wouldn't ever add salts to an unknown water profile. Yes, you can fly blind and possibly make good beer, but it's not the way I'd go about it.
     
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  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    If you are in Ann Arbor you can find the A2 report online.
     
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  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    If you do get RO water, sometimes it isn't good RO water. For example, I occasionally buy RO water from one of those dispensers at the grocery store for 30 cents a gallon to use for StarSan. A couple times my StarSan clouded instantly which indicated it wasn't pure. Most of the time the water from the same machine produced clear StarSan that stayed clear for months.
     
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  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Here you are, there are seasonal variations in the A2 water. I assume you are in A2 as it is in your online name.

    In ppm
    Ca=34
    Mg=11
    SO4=56
    Cl=100
    Na=56
    HCO3=67

    Residual Alkalinity =25

    I recently picked up a TDS meter for around $15 and have found it to be useful. For the different places I go the RO water is 3 ppm TDS, ~18, or 45. The last is cheap. I use the 3 ppm TDS water for Pilsners, the 45 ppm TDS for ales that I am adding a lot of minerals to.

    What comes out of the machines depends on the water going in, and how long it has been since the membranes were replaced.
     
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  14. A2HB

    A2HB Initiate (0) Oct 30, 2013 Michigan


    Hey thanks for pulling those numbers, I just went on the city's site but this saves me a lot of time.

    So using Brewer's Friend water profile, for a light and hoppy ale I want to have Ca=75 Mg=5 SO4=150 Cl=50 Na=10 and HCO3=0.

    If I cut this 50/50 with RO or even distilled water, I can approx half the city's numbers correct? Already I see I need to raise my Ca and SO4 levels while decreasing everything else, would using gypsum which is Calcium Sulphate, alone, be good enough for raising the Ca and SO4 or should I add a different type of treatment? I picked up a bottle of gypsum so I think I'm going to add 1-2 tsp to my total volume of water (~8.5 gal). that seems like it should get me close enough to the profile. Thanks for the help guys I really appreciate it!
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Depending on the quality of the RO, just approximate by 1/2 as you propose. Gypsum will bump the Ca and SO4 levels, which you want. You might want a little more Ca to counter the HCO3 that will be left. Run it through Brewer's Friend. Or you could add some acid to neutralize the alkalinity.

    If you are serious about adjusting water, get really familiar with the software, and get a pH meter and use it to check the predicted pH. Acid can be used to drop pH, and backing soda (NaCO3) or pickling lime (Ca(OH)2)to raise pH if you are off.
     
  16. --Dom--

    --Dom-- Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2012 Missouri

    U should check out Brewtoad.com for making/looking up recipes. It's free and pretty helpful.
     
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