Question: My First Lager

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  1. khensley

    khensley Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Washington

    I have some questions regarding diacetyl rest, and secondary fermentation (lagering in this case).

    Upon the request of my wife and some friends of mine who enjoy a clean lager, I ventured into brewing my first American style lager. For my 5 gal. recipe, I used four LBS of DME, one LB honey, one LB of rice extract, and a very modest dose of Cascade hops for bittering and flavor. O.G. was at 1.048 at 72 degree pitch.

    I had been fermenting in my garage at a very steady temp. of about 48 degrees for the last 30 days. Surprisingly, the temperature this week in Eastern Washington spiked upwards quickly, bringing my fermenter up to about 54 degrees in a matter of a few hours. A lot more activity has been taking place in the way of C02 escaping from my fermenter. I decided to start my diacetyl rest. but am now wondering what I should do now to achieve the best results. Please bear in mind that I don't have any way to manage the temperature of the beer at this point. I will take a hydrometer reading as soon as the beer has reached 68 degrees. I'm a perfectionist, so I want to do this right (guess I should have bought a fridge for temp. control if I was such a perfectionist).

    My original plan was to transfer to secondary, and lager at garage temp. for at least one more month, but the way the weather is shaping up, my garage is going to only get down to 55 degrees for the next month or so.
     
  2. basscram

    basscram Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2006 Maine

    If you leave it at the high 40's -50's you'll have yourself a steam beer I believe. IF... you can maybe get yourself a container to hold your carboy/bucket in so you could put ice around it on a regular basis for a couple weeks or more then do that and you can maybe have an effective lagering process. freezer and temp controller together will cost you 200 bucks or so if you can do it, or even a mini fridge that can hold your container that your fermenting in.

    Do your diacetyl rest for a couple days, when the fermentation slows down, put in secondary then start to drop the temp down 5 degrees, each day til you reach between 32-38 degrees. Once you do this, let it set at this temp for a couple of weeks... or more if you like and thats it! I know your not going to be able to do this without some help from either the icing your fermentation vessel or getting a fridge or freezer for temp control, BUT, If you can't do either of these things, your beer will still be perfect!

    My lagering process may not be spot on but it works! I hope that I was able to help some.
     
  3. khensley

    khensley Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Washington

    Thanks for the ideas. How much affect might fluctuating temps have on my process. I could move fermenter to shed, and temps would range from 30 degrees at night, to 50 degrees during the day (shitty insulation), likely translating to beer from 35-45 degrees, every day?
     
  4. basscram

    basscram Initiate (0) Mar 29, 2006 Maine

    There won't be no way around the temp fluctuation for sure but 35-45 degrees won't be bad at all for your lagering! Thats going to work out just fine! Awesome! I've done many beers with swings in temp and you know what, they turned out delicious. Your beer is going to be absolutely perfect.
     
  5. khensley

    khensley Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Washington

    Music to my ears, basscram. Much like the sound of my Strong Ale bubbling in my primary right now, music to my ears...
     
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  6. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    I may be stating the obvious, but go by hygrometer reading to decide when to transfer, not the amount of bubbles.
     
  7. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    While I'm sure your attempt at a lager will be drinkable and hopefully enjoyable, you really need a temperature control set up to properly ferment a lager and then subsequently lager it. Otherwise it will have some off flavors which won't be off putting necessarily but it just won't be crisp and clean like a lager should be. If you plan on brewing more down the road look into getting a temperature control set up. Even with one, making a good lager is challenging.
     
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  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    If you pitch cold (<50F) the yeast will produce less diacetyl in the lag and growth phase.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Ok, there were a number of questions asked by the OP.

    Firstly, the situation is: “I had been fermenting in my garage at a very steady temp. of about 48 degrees for the last 30 days.”

    The typical timeframe for the primary fermentation of a 1.048 gravity lager is 14 days (give or take a day or so). So, at 30 days you are definitely done primary fermentation. You could conduct a diacetyl rest if you are so inclined (it won’t harm anything) but at this point I doubt that a diacetyl rest will do anything. The proper way to conduct a diacetyl rest is to raise the temperature of the primary to around 60°F when you are about done primary fermentation (i.e., when you are a few gravity points from reaching final gravity). Since at 30 days you have reached final gravity conducting a diacetyl rest is a mute point. FWIW, I never conduct a diacetyl rest for my homebrewed lagers (I have made something like 70 batches of lager) and I have never had a problem with diacetyl (and yes, I can taste diacetyl).

    Now, given that you have finished primary what are the options about the lagering process.

    One option is the tub of water with refreezable ice (e.g., refreeze 2 liter soda bottles) to achieve lagering temperatures. The benefit of this method is that with diligence you will achieve a stable lagering temperature.

    Another option is the shed. The ‘good news’ is that 5 gallons of beer has a lot of thermal mass. Even though the shed will ‘swing’ from 30 – 50 degrees the beer will not swing that wide. Basscram provided a guess of 35-45 degrees for the beer. What does a daily swing of 35-45 degrees do to the lagering process? Boy, I have no idea. It may be just fine but I just don’t know. I have only lagered at stable temperatures.

    A third option is to bottle your beers, let them bottle condition at room temperature for 2-3 weeks and then lager in the bottles. Do you have a refrigerator that can accommodate two cases of beer for a month or so of cold conditioning?

    There may be a fourth option but it is not coming to mind.

    A short treatise on lagering: the primary purpose of the lagering process is that the cold temperatures encourage proteins and polyphenols to precipitate out. The result is the classic ‘crisp’ taste that we associate with lager beers.

    Good luck with your lager!

    Cheers!
     
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  10. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    What Jack said. There's little to be gained in a diacetyl rest at this point, if the beer's already been at fermentation temp for a month. You will need to figure out some way to drop the temp at least about 10 degrees below where the beer was fermenting in order to lager. There are all sorts of ways to do this even without a dedicated refrigerator, although that's ideal. If you don't, the beer should still be good, but might taste more like a steam than a CAP.
     
  11. khensley

    khensley Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Washington

    Thanks everybody for your input. I went ahead and parked it in the shed for a few more weeks to lager. I plan to bottle when I feel it's time. I've checked the temp on it a few times, and it is somehow holding steady around 36 degrees. I'm cool with that, given my circumstances. Jack's comment about thermal mass was spot on.

    Next year for Christmas, Santa better pony up the bucks for a garage fridge.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “ …it is somehow holding steady around 36 degrees. That is GREAT news! Thanks for sharing that information.

    “Next year for Christmas, Santa better pony up the bucks for a garage fridge.” Why pay for the electricity to run a fridge when the shed method seems to be working just fine?

    Good luck with your lager and please report back how it turned out.

    Cheers!
     
  13. khensley

    khensley Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2012 Washington

    It turned out better than I could have imagined for my first try, way better. These went fast. Wife drank a few, my non-beer drinking friends gulped them down. One friend told me its better than BUDMILLERCOORS, and that's all he drinks. It was a bit on the sweet side the first few weeks, but it mellowed out after a few more weeks or so. I will do a ten gallon batch next winter, and try to keep them around for the warm summer months. I prefer strong ale anyway, and I have no problems brewing those! Thanks for your help, you guys are awesome.
     
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  14. udubdawg

    udubdawg Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2006 Kansas

    love making lagers, but they definitely have a "wait...wait...wait...drink it all in a week" tendency in my house.

    congrats on your first success!
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am very glad to hear the good news. It truly sounds like your lager turned out great. Good for you!

    Cheers!
     
  16. TastyAdventure

    TastyAdventure Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2012 Kentucky

    what the hell's a diaceytl rest? and is that just for lagers?
     
  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    With lagers, it's raising the temperature at/near the end of fermentation so that the yeast can clean up any diacetyl they had produced. With ales, it could be raising the temp or it could be just maintaining the same temp, but leaving the beer with the yeast a little longer. Diacetyl rests are more common (and generally more necessary) with lagers than with ales, but it's very strain dependent.
     
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