Question on esters

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by firstthenlast, Nov 28, 2013.

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  1. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    Hello,

    I have had a wort that has been fermenting for around 18hours. Its an IPA with US05 yeast.

    It already smells like bananas, way to much ester.

    I know why they are there, I pitched too hot and my room is around 74F. Aside from moving to a cooler room is there anything i can do to fix this?

    Thanks.
     
  2. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    You will need to age this beer a bit longer , it will help to diminish but not to eliminate them
     
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  3. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    Banana esters might be the least of your worries, if you pitched hot (btw how hot?) and your ambient temps are 74F that beer is probably a lot warmer from the ferm activity, you might end up with a fusel-y mess

    besides pitch temp, what was the OG

    BTW pitch temp is one of the easiest ways to mess up a beer, not enough emphasis on that IMO
     
  4. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    80F. OG 1.060
     
  5. firstthenlast

    firstthenlast Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2013 Massachusetts

    by age you mean in the bottle or fermentor
     
  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    From the other thread, you pitched too hot. A wort chiller and some way of controlling fermentation temps are tools to make better beer.
     
  7. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I would be really surprised if this beer was drinkable, 80F is way way too hot to add yeast, I guarantee it got quite a bit warmer then too due to the rapid fermentation that likely took place

    I'll say it again, pitch temp is a really really easy way to screw up a beer, I suggest that you try and pitch your yeast into wort slightly cooler than you want to ferment at. Your in Mass, toss it outside and do a slow cool if you need to, I do this with wort often with no bad effects (curious to see if someone chimes in on this)

    dont be a masshole cool your wort next time :slight_smile:
     
  8. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    Yes and yes and I have done it
     
  9. MLucky

    MLucky Initiate (0) Jul 31, 2010 California

    You can say that again. On this website, pitching/fermenting too hot is the problem in at least half of these "is my beer ruined?" threads.

    Beer is a very forgiving product. You can make all kinds of mistakes and still wind up with drinkable beer. But one thing you can't do is pitch at 80 degrees.
     
  10. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    The esters might decrease a bit over time, but banana flavors in particular don't really go away. You could always pitch some brett and see if it will metabolize it over time.
     
  11. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    It may not be as banana-y as it smells in the fermenter. I smell banana-ester all the time coming out of the fermenter, but not at all in most of my beers. I really noted it on my last beer with 1469 during the strong part of fermentation, which was pitched at 62F. There's some of that ester in all beers, but you don't necessarily taste or smell it in the finished product.
     
  12. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina


    I would advise you to rack it to a secondary and take a sample,let it rest in a cold place(below 64 F).Let it be there for a long time, >4 months, then take another sample to compare.
     
  13. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    You think he should secondary an ipa for 4 months? I don't. Just drink it when it's ready.
     
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  14. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I think an IPA tasting like bananas is not a good option for anybody.
     
  15. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    Then call it a Belgian IPA; but aging it 4 months isn't going to improve it, and aging it won't make the banana ester go away, anyway. It will be there forever. Might as well drink the beer when the hops are strong enough to mask the off-flavors, until waiting for the hops to fade.
     
  16. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I am not agree with that, moreover is very likely this beer has some fusels due to high pitch temp
     
  17. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    personally if it is full of fusels i wouldnt drink it or age it, I would dump it, no use clogging up a keg with bad beer or having headaches due to fusels

    use it as a learning experience, DONT PITCH HOT
     
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  18. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I think this beer is savable, it´s been pitched hot but nothing to say it has not still a chance to be a drinkable beer.
     
  19. jncastillo87

    jncastillo87 Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2013 Texas

    That is what I had to do with one batch .. tried everything to fix it. Dump it.
     
  20. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Drink it when it's ready. Add a touch of extra dry hop addition. It'll still be good.
     
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