Question on "New" Beers Based on Serving Method

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  1. rab53

    rab53 Initiate (0) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    Just an observation. Old Chub and Old Chub NITRO are listed as two separate beers. Yet, there are many other beers (Guinness, Old Speckled Hen, etc.) available in bottles/cans/nitro-cans that are under a single entry.

    How does one reconcile this?
     
  2. aratcliffe

    aratcliffe Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2015 Kansas

    Branding/Imaging/Oskar Blues wants to get more of your sweet, sweet cashola.
     
  3. BrewMuppet

    BrewMuppet Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2015 Missouri

    I'm not sure on this one, because I don't think I've seen both, but is one carbonated normally and one canned with a nitrogen widget? That would explain it because they would both have very different textures.
     
  4. tykechandler

    tykechandler Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2007 Kentucky

    have you ever had a guinness NOT on nitro?
     
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  5. kemoarps

    kemoarps Grand Pooh-Bah (3,256) Apr 30, 2008 Washington
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    I think the OP was wondering more specifically on this website why do some beers feature format-specific entries while others that are still commonly served under said format are lumped into one entry.
     
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  6. Lazhal

    Lazhal Pooh-Bah (1,890) Mar 13, 2011 Michigan
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    I was wondering if Atwater did this with their Decadent Chocolate Stout. I had it on tap at the brewery and it was nitro. What does it come with in bottles?
     
  7. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    I believe those listing should be merged, it probably just hasn't happened yet
     
  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Sometimes the people who do the entry (us) haven't done their homework and the Mods have no time resources to routinely be double checking all the new entries. Thats where we come in again.

    Report the duplicate listing and one of them will fix it after checking to make sure. It helps if you provide them with a link, etc. to speed up the process.

    It does work. Been there, done that.
     
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  9. rab53

    rab53 Initiate (0) May 1, 2005 Washington
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    I didn't mean to ask how to fix the entry on this site, but rather how do you the BA think these differences should be handled on BA.

    Take Left Hand Milk Stout as another example. There is a standard and nitro version in bottles. Two separate entries for same beer, just different gases essentially. Should things like this in the future be separate or lumped together? Where do you draw the line? Should something like Young's Double Chocolate Stout in bottle versus nitro-can be separated?

    Not a big deal in the scheme of things. Just a quirk I noticed.
     
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  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Ahhh, well as you probably remember, once upon a time the site allowed for different methods of dispense (e.g., nitro, cask, tap, bottle, etc.) to be indicated differently beyond just a mention in a review, but then made the decision that the level of abuse by users was too high and so it would all be collapsed into a single entry. Given that I never could look at the stats broken out for, say tap vs bottle, I don't see a need for a change from the present system. So I reconcile it by saying its the site admin's decision that its all one base beer and report duplicates when found (but I don't go hunting for them.... :slight_smile:). Just as I agree with the decision that bottles of Weyebacher Insanity at different ages should all be lumped under the single entry for that beer.

    Bottom line is that the quirk you noted is considered to be an error not a feature.
     
  11. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    It is pretty much a variant. I don't have a problem with it being listed separately because they really are different beers.
     
  12. Bierman9

    Bierman9 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,313) Dec 20, 2001 New Hampshire
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    If the brewer puts out two distinct offerings, with different labels, packaging,etc, then it should likely have separate listings. If they make one bier that you can get bottled/canned or served nitro-style, then I guess that's one entry, imo. Prosit!
     
  13. Jugs_McGhee

    Jugs_McGhee Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,140) Aug 15, 2010 Texas
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    Either way, let's not delete all of the reviews for Left Hand's Milk Stout Nitro overnight on a whim just because of this (admittedly, oddly vague) policy. Inform the reviewers behind the content that they need to move their reviews to the main Milk Stout page, and give us, say, a courtesy 14 days. It's annoying when our writing disappears from one moment to the next without any notice. And then, mere weeks after the Milk Stout Nitro entry was deleted, more reviews start popping up.

    And why isn't there a basic system for merging reviews (when one beer entry is going to be deleted, and a review exists for both entries) yet? It can't be *that* hard to code the combination of two blocks of text into one, character limit notwithstanding.

    These issues are all vestigial; this website used to have serving type-specific reviews, and now the removal thereof has caused issues like this. Am I the only one who misses being able to see the serving types corresponding to the reviews just below the beer picture? That feature was very useful; for example, it enabled us to be able to surmise when a beer was draught-only (because all of the reviews would be draught reviews). Now we have people with Pliny the Younger on their "wants" list because they aren't keen to the fact it can (now) only be found on-draught.
     
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  14. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    My bad. You're right. There isn't a tool that allows multiple reviews by the same person, for the same beer, to be merged. Why? It has nothing to do with the level of difficulty, but rather a historical lack of interest. That said, it's certainly something we can look at as we build out our new maintenance tools.
    That data still exists, and we've noted that the feature will return (it's on @Mike's to-do list), however, it has nothing to do with the discussion. We're talking about a relatively rare marketing ploy vs a user error, and we need to update our How to Add Beers on BeerAdvocate to ensure that we're all on the same page.
     
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