Question: Priming sugar calc = saison

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  1. pointyskull

    pointyskull Zealot (675) Mar 17, 2010 Illinois
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  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How many volumes of CO2 are you aiming for?
     
  3. pointyskull

    pointyskull Zealot (675) Mar 17, 2010 Illinois
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    Yeah, that's issue I suppose. Anticipating/determining proper CO2 levels per style is still a bit of a grey area for me.
     
  4. Mongrel

    Mongrel Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2013 Maryland

    I've found these apps helpful on a few occasions too, but in this case, I'd say their recomendations are too high. I brewed a Belgian IPA recently and Northern Brewer's calc gave me a similarly high number. I ended up using an even 5 oz of priming sugar, which was still a little high. The carbonation is on par with a highly carbed saison.

    So I would pitch somewhere around 4.5 oz sugar for a 5 gal batch of saison. Cheers!
     
  5. pointyskull

    pointyskull Zealot (675) Mar 17, 2010 Illinois
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    Thanks...
     
  6. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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  7. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    I've gone 2.7 vols of CO2 on recent saisons with nice success. Well carbonated and effervescent, not overly foamy though. 6 oz sounds about right to me - but I fermented the thing pretty warm and got about 5.25 gallons into the fermenter.
     
  8. pointyskull

    pointyskull Zealot (675) Mar 17, 2010 Illinois
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    Wyeast 3711
     
  9. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Be carful, she's a beast and will eat everything! I've had some seriously over carbonated beers with that yeast because I 'thought' the yeast was done. What is your FG? And, how long has it been that?
     
  10. pointyskull

    pointyskull Zealot (675) Mar 17, 2010 Illinois
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    Actually haven't checked it yet. It's been two weeks in fermenter this past Saturday, and I wasn't even considering bottling until next weekend, if FG is stable. I was going to start checking the readings on Wednesday.

    I typically do three weeks in fermenter, minimum, before I even take hydrometer readings.

    Haven't used 3711 before, so thanks for the headsup....
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Once your beer has reached the final gravity, which yeast was used to ferment the beer is immaterial to carbonation.

    @pointyskull, you need to decide on what amount of CO2 you desire and then add the sugar amount needed to achieve that selected CO2 level. According to the tastybrew calculator, a Saison has a target carbonation level of 1.9 – 2.4 volumes of CO2. The Northern Brewer calculator lists 3.2 volumes of CO2.

    I prefer ‘regular’ CO2 volumes (e.g., 2.2 volumes) for my homebrewed Saison beers. I use 3.7 ounces by weight of table sugar (for a 5.25 gallon batch).

    Cheers!
     
  12. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    Hmmm - 1.9 to 2.4 seems a bit low to me. Per BJCP:

    Mouthfeel: Light to medium body. Alcohol level can be medium to medium-high, though the warming character is low to medium. No hot alcohol or solventy character. Very high carbonation with an effervescent quality.

    Obviously to each their own, but I find the aromas jump out of the glass a bit more and the beer tends to be a bit more refreshing with a higher carbonation level. The higher level also tends to prevent a very dry beer (since the FG is usually so low) from being a bit watery. Just my preference is all!
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Matt,
    Plenty of commercial Saison beers are highly carbonated. Highly carbonated beers provide a carbonic bite to my palate; carbonic bite is a less than pleasant quality for me.

    As you stated: Just my preference is all!

    Cheers!

    Jack
     
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