Questions from a new homebrewer

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  1. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Hi my name is jose, i live in panama city, panama. I recently decided to brew my own beer, i bought one of this BREWDEMON conical fermenters and it came with a kit, malt extract and stuff so i decided to make my first beer and follow the instructions step by step. I let it ferment for 7 days like it said in the instructions, taste it and it wasnt sweet, it was bitter and flat with a wierd or funky flavor if you might said, i decided to bottled it and let it carbonate for 2 weeks. After that i taste the beer and it was undrinkable, i had like 2 glasses, taste like beer, but like a bad beer, didnt smell like rotten or contaminated but the flavor was awful.

    After reading a lot, the only thing i can think of that might be the reason it didnt have a good taste was the Temperature. I pitch the yeast that came with the kit at 68F like the kit says. But after that the temperature here in panama and inside the closet i stored the fermenter was 80 82 F all the time.

    Do you think that awful flavor i got was because of the T the yeast ferment? I wont give up, i dont have a fridge to put the fermenter into but maybe i can try using a different yeast like a saison that i read it will ferment at higher temperatura, as high as 90F, dont know what do you guys think?
     
  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Temperature is way too high. You need to find a way to get that down. Get a decent starter kit, keep your fermentation temp low, and watch your sanitation and you'll be fine
     
  3. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    I think if i wanna do this im gonna have to get a small fridge for the fermenter or ill be wasting my time and money.
     
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  4. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Btw about a better starter kit, this is a picture of the kit i have. I think its a decent one, i dont want those 5 gallons buckets cos it will make everything more expensive if i screwed this up and i really dont wanna be brewing 5 gallons from start, not till i find a decent recipe to reproduce and make it in a larger batch.
    But i dont know, i have no experience with this so i dont know.
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  5. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Welcome to the BA site, Jos3h2r. It seems like you're already learning your way around the site if you've managed to find yourself in this forum. Glad to have you here.

    To try to have the right conditions for fermenting in a hot climate is a challenge, but it can be done. Using an old refrigerator with an external temp controller is one way, and using a swamp cooler is another. I did a search on 'swamp cooler' and came up with this list of threads. Browse in the threads that describe ways to make one, or just google it.
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/search/30949746/?q=swamp&o=date&c[node]=8

    As for the plastic buckets, you'll probably want to have at least one, preferably with a spigot, that can be used for a bottling bucket. To try to bottle your beer directly from your fermentor can be tricky because you'll have to deal with the trub in there to keep it from going into the bottles.
     
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  6. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Have you thought about what beer you would like to emulate to justify wanting 5gal worth? Or at least what style? Recipes can be dead simple. Procedures are what makes it FANTASTIC.
     
  7. Mike_Aguirre

    Mike_Aguirre Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2015 Mexico

    I think your bottles were contaminated, since you tried the beer after fermentation and it was ok (funky flavor may be from young or green beer). How did you sanitize your bottles?
     
  8. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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  9. flagmantho

    flagmantho Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,674) Feb 19, 2009 Washington
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    If temperature control is out of your reach right now, do as you suggested and develop a taste for saison ... I routinely brew them in the summer here because they can easily take a 90° fermentation temperature. I happen to love the style, so that works for me. If you love the style, it can work for you too :slight_smile:
     
  10. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Wow so many replies. This community rules hahahahaha.

    Mothergoose, tx for the welcome and i though about it, it was hard when i did it direclty from the fermenter cos the bottles had a los of sediment in the bottom. This leads me to a question, when bottling, when i move my beer from the fermenter to the bottling bucket is just to make the bottling easier or do i have to leave the beer in the bottling bucket for more time? Like a secondary fermentor? Or im mixing concepts here?

    Mike, i use the one step no rinse cleanser that came with the kit, i diluted and use it the way the instructions said, dont know if i got contamination from the bottles, the beer looked like beer at least, still dont know what went qrong but im gonna try a new batch all grain, i know extract is easier but i like the all grain idea and ive been reading a lot about the method, ill be posting my recipe soon for discution and to read some opinions, its a sierra nevada pale ale clone recipe i found, it looks quite simple to start with.


    Scurvy, i like the brown to dark beers, malty ones, but im not gonna get into that one yet cos i find those a bit complicated, ill go with a simple recipe and see how it goes, i want my family to try it too and not many people like the brown or dark beers.

    Herb, ill try to get a fridge as soon as i move to my new place, but i like the idea of the frozen bottles, ill try that one too.

    Flagmantho, ive been reading about saison and i think its the best option for me right now if i dont have a way to cool the fermenter, i wanna try it and that will be the yeast for my next beer, i dont remember tasting a saison before but ill be open mind to that flavor.
     
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  11. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Wow i just read the swamp cooler idea and im gonna try that one. Is not that complicated.....i think lol.

    Looks like a cheap and good solution for my high temperature problem. Tx for the advice.
     
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  12. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    For what it's worth, I have brewed using the BrewDemon conical fermenter, and I had really good results with the fermenter itself. I did not by the starter kit, I just brewed using a combination of LME and DME that I bought at my local homebrew shop ("LHBS"). The fermenter is definitely not the problem.

    1) As many people have said, the temperature you brewed at is much too high. Do you have a room you keep regularly air conditioned, or do you have a basement you can use that is much cooler. Swamp cooler sounds like a good idea.

    2) You really should probably get a better kit. I can't speak specifically to the kit you used, but many starter kits included with fermenters aren't the best. What kind of beers do you like? Try and find a kit in that style that was not sitting around on the shelves forever.
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The Brewdemon reminds me of Mr. Beer.

    Below is a video on how you can make ‘better’ beer using a Mr. Beer kit:

     
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  14. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    By siphoning your beer off of the trub in the fermentor and into a bottling bucket, you'll leave most of the trub behind, although a tiny amount always gets sucked up in the siphon depending on how far above your trub that you place the intake end of the tube. There is no reason to keep the beer in the bottling bucket any longer like using a secondary. (Regardless of what many recipes say, using a secondary is not really necessary unless you are going to age your beer on oak, fruit, etc.)

    Be sure that your beer is ready to be bottled by taking two gravity readings a few days apart when you think fermentation is complete. The gravity readings will confirm that fermentation is done if these two readings are very close to each other, AND your readings are fairly close to the expected reading from the recipe.

    The bottling process has to be done with some priming sugar added to your beer, and the best way to do that is to calculate how much sugar that you need for your liquid volume (even though you may be doing a 5-gallon recipe, you may only have closer to 4 gallons due to water boil off, so be careful because you could be adding too much priming sugar), then boil that sugar with a small amount of water. Add that syrup into the bottom of your bucket and gently siphon your beer into the bucket on top of the sugar. After the beer is in the bucket, gently stir the beer without creating any bubbling or agitation so that the sugar is well mixed into the liquid. You should also stir a few times during the bottling process because that heavy sugar will be trying to settle out of the beer. Then, just follow your bottling and capping procedures to finish your beer, store the bottles at the same temp at which they fermented, and wait a couple of weeks for carbonation to occur in the bottle.
     
  15. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I think there's a couple things going on here.
    First is of course your fermentation temps - and with the advice given so far, sounds like you have a handle on that. Another option is to brew styles using yeast that can handle higher temps, like saisons.
    Another thing is just length of fermentation. You didn't mention if you tested the gravity before bottling, but a week doesn't really seem like enough time for things to happen in there. Besides the actual fermentation, the yeast will actually work to clean up byproducts, things that will cause off-flavors in the finished beer. Generally you want to give at least several days or a week for the yeast to "clean up after themselves" - personally I leave my beer in primary fermentation for 3 weeks before bottling.
    The last thing I will mention is the age of the extract used. Older extract can become stale, giving more off flavors that no yeast can clean up - it's the dreaded "homebrew twang" referred to often. Your being in Panama, I don't know what the homebrew supply situation is there, but I have read often about homebrewers in Central and South America (heck, plenty here in the States as well) for whom getting fresh ingredients is very difficult.
    If you haven't already, look into a couple books on brewing, the two most recommended is John Palmer's How to Brew (there is an early edition available online for free, http://www.howtobrew.com/ ) and Charlie Papazian's Complete Joy of Homebrewing.
     
  16. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Mothergoose, tx for the advice, im really worried about the priming process cos i bottled this beer in plastic bottles that came with the kit and they were about to explode, good thing it was plastic, but i think temperature will affect the carbonation process aswel, so im gonna have to test and see, maybe 1 glass bottle and hide it in the basement in case that thing explodes lol.

    JrGtr, you are right, its hard for us to find fresh ingredients here cos theres not a single homebrewshop and i have to buy everything from the use, amazon, ebay, brewing sites, etc, its hard. The only thing i can buy here is the grain, the american 2 row, we have a company here called Casa Brujo who sell their grain for homebrewers but thats it, no hops, no equipment, nothing else, just grain. I have JP book, been reading it and rereading it a lot, its great, tx for the tip.

    btw a guy here in Panama is selling this kit from northen brewer, i think is a good option, he is selling this for 60 bucks so im gonna get that one too and use it for 5GL batches and leave my brewdemon conical fermentor for smaller batches.

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  17. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    The only thing inherently '5 gallons' about that is the fermenting bucket, everything else will work fine for smaller batches(including bottling bucket). Even the fermenting bucket would be fine for 2 or 3 gallon batches(but your brew demon would be better).
     
  18. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    excellent, tx magoon. im gonna buy it, theres some items that i dont have like the bottle capper, the buckets, siphon. if i buy those online it will cost me twice to get it here. but yeah i like my brewdemon fermentor hehehehe
     
  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Why did you think they were about to explode? If it's because the plastic bottles became very rigid, that would be normal. But if you opened the bottles and got strong geysers, that could indicate a problem.
     
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  20. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    Not a geyser, but the bottle was pretty hard, even the plastic cap had like a bump, like it was about to blow up, and when i open the beer it felt like it had a lot of gas, i bit more than a coke bottle.

    Someone asked me about the fermenting time, why just 1 week, well that was in the instructions that came with the kit, maybe it was a green beer like some said, or maybe the extract or the yeast was bad, i dont know, i cant tell. And the sugar, well i add what it says in the instructions, but i think mothergoose method about making that syrup and put it in the botling bucket and then bottle sound way better and less complicated.
     
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