Racking from Primary to Kegs via Co2

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  1. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Anyone else do it?

    Purge the keg through the liquid out post for a couple minutes, venting the top.

    Racking cane in a carboy cap, sterile filter on the line from the co2 regulator. Pop the regulator to around 1-2psi, and allow the beer to flow from the racking cane to the beer out post to gently fill the keg from the bottom up?

    Beer never touches the air, and never gets splashed in an environment ripe with oxygen.

    I put my dryhops in the bag if I'm giving it another round of hops, hang it from the PRV, and then I purge the keg so I don't have to open it again until I remove the hops, and then purge the headspace again.

    Other than getting some pressure on the carboys, it's a pretty sound way to move beer around, I get the carboys above the keg to help the siphon to work better and not having to use as much co2 pressure as well.

    Been thinking about racking from one keg to another as well after the last dryhop to avoid even opening the keg, but wonder if it's overkill, myself.
     
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  2. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    If you tie up the hop bag using just enough line to have the hops submerged, you could remove the hops from the beer by transferring a few pints to your stomach
     
  3. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Fair enough, but I usually use whole leaf, so I give the bag a little more room to move. I sometimes put the keg upside down and allow the hops to attempt to float, which holds them in the beer better than floating them. I do it for 2-3 days and then right side up it goes.
     
  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Yep, I do it all the time. My normal primary is a bucket, so I'm using an auto-siphon to the liquid-out post. When using a carboy I use the racking cane through the orange cap to the liquid-out with CO2 giving it a push.


    Not overkill at all. I do exactly this when a spare keg is available . . . the hops stay behind until all the beer has transferred. A quarter-turn on the PRV (receiving keg) and you're good to go. CO2 is your friend.
     
  5. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    I always do closed transfers for my hoppy beers and often do them for my non-hoppy beers as well.
     
  6. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    So you have to take the lid off your bucket to start your siphon? I use buckets as well and am interested how you rack to keg in a closed manner with a bucket?
     
  7. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    From the bucket-to-keg the beer is exposed to air. But I attach a swivel nut to end of siphon tubing and connect to the liquid-out post. This eliminates splashing and the exterior of the tubing never touches the beer. Carboy-to-keg and keg-to-keg are closed.

    As koopa mentioned, this isn't restricted to hoppy beers. I have two 3 gallon'ers on my keezer hump that are regularly filled by a closed loop from the larger cornies.

    For @FATC1TY: My empties are always stored with sanitized water which is purged before a transfer. Usually some starsan foam is left behind. When transferring in through the liquid post it is common to see the foam "percolate" out through the PRV . . . I consider this normal and it probably even helps sanitize.
     
  8. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    I do it that way for some beers, not all beers.
     
  9. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    What sort of swivel nut?

    thx
     
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  10. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    Yeah, what sort of swivel nut?
     
  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I just recently started doing all my kegs this way. I used to CO2 force rack to the bottom of a purged keg by removing the lid and dropping the tubing in, but this last time I did it through the liquid out on all 3 kegs of IPA. I also jumpered them to a new keg after carbing them and allowing them to clear, now I don't have to worry about yeast and hop debris getting swirled into solution when I move the keg. Some of the best drinking IPAs I have made to date.

    WARNING: If you do this, do not purge the keg and leave it closed! My first time doing this I had the keg purged at 40 psi and didn't have the PRV opened. When I hooked up the QD to the post it shot 40psi into my closed system under my carboy cap and made the whole Better Bottle boom and jump. Had the carboy cap not popped off it would have exploded the vessel.
     
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  12. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    What the brewer meant to say was "swivel nut with barb":
    [​IMG] My siphon tubing is 1/4" so I use a 5/16" barb. I have flare fitting on my liquid post that this attaches to. If your post has a barb fitting just slip the tube over it . . . may need a hose clamp or cable tie, but you're dealing with really low pressures so this isn't super critical.

    tsk, tsk
     
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  13. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    recently bought one of the speidel 60L fermenters with a spigot on the bottom. Put a liquid out disconnect on the end of the hose and rack into a purged keg that way (purge the hose as well). I still get oxygen entering the fermenter, so looking for ways to close that end off, but for now it's open...maybe get another spigot up top. Way better than auto-siphon out of a bucket though...
     
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  14. cfrobrew

    cfrobrew Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Texas

    So if you are using the orange carboy cap to push co2 in and beer out do you just buy a racking cane to stick in the top? Do you have to buy a fitting to hook up the CO2? And is a sterile filter for the CO2 really necessary?
     
  15. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I personally have a SS racking cane in mine. I also bought a flare tip to barb fitting that allows me to attach the swivel nut at the end of my CO2 line to the carboy cap. Like this.
     
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  16. cfrobrew

    cfrobrew Initiate (0) Oct 9, 2012 Texas

    Thanks for that link man!
     
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I do like whats in the link, except, I have a liquid out ball lock on the end that ends up gently filling the keg from the bottom up while it's sealed up and the PRV open to vent the keg to allow it to fill.

    I might have to use some extra liquid posts and some lines and make a jumper and start racking from keg to keg for some transfers of IPA's after dryhopping.
     
  18. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    That's exactly what I have changed. I recently added the liquid post and jumpers. Need to add them into the blog post and update that.
     
  19. mbbransc

    mbbransc Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 North Carolina

    Hmm, trying to figure out how I can utilize this with buckets...
     
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