Racking into primary fermenter

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  1. TickleMeTony

    TickleMeTony Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2013 Colorado

    Just did my first batch last night, wen't incredibly smoothly until it was time to transfer my cooled wort into my primary fermenter. I had an auto-siphon which I had never used. It was absolute garbage. Got clogged very easily with hops from my boil and overall did not provide any flow of wort except during physical pumping.

    Before anyone asks, yes, my primary fermenter was lower than my pot with the wort in it. It was not gravity's fault.

    I ended up having to start the siphon with my mouth, which I didn't want to do, because of introducing unwanted bacteria, and even then the siphon was easily clogged, and poorly working. Any thoughts? I was very frustrated, especially when the rest of the brew went so smoothly.
     
  2. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    I'd suggest getting a kettle with a valve or a nice funnel and slowly dumping the wort in that way rather than trying to siphon.
     
  3. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Siphons can be finicky, but you really don't need one to transfer the cooled wort to primary. As above, just grab a funnel and dump it on in.
     
  4. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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    Use a hop bag. Of course the siphon will get clogged if you give it plenty of crap/gunk to clog it up with. I built a hop spider for under $20 and its one of the best investments I have made.
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    I was very frustrated, especially when the rest of the brew went so smoothly
    Into each brewday a little bit of water will be split - - Palmer

    A couple of things will help:

    The majority of hop debris can be retained in kettle by using a hop spider. This can be as complicated as a stainless steel mesh or as simple as paint strainer bag. (search Google Images for "hop spider")

    After cooling, allow remaining hop debris/cold break to settle. I whirlpool (a spoon will work) for a couple of minutes then wait about 15 minutes before transferring. Most of the sediment will end up on the bottom of the kettle. (use a whirloc tablet with 15 min remaining)

    Others post good results by putting a paint strainer bag on the tip of your auto siphon (I'm not a fan), but it's merits a look. You may want to tilt the kettle slightly for easier pickup.

    Not for the siphon, but a stainless food strainer over the primary keeps some of the big chunks out.

    As you upgrade equipment there are other toys like bazooka filters, re-circ pumps, and ballcock valves that make the job easier.
     
  6. cmmcdonn

    cmmcdonn Initiate (0) Jun 21, 2009 Virginia

    I use a combination of paint strainer bag and large colander. It's a bit more manual than a true hop spider but it gets the job done.
     
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  7. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I tried that and it clogged easier than just the plain siphon. Not a fan. I just dump into the paint strainer and just let the crap settle out after fermentation. Upgrading to 15 gal kettle with a ball valve, as soon as I raise the funds.
     
  8. kennyg

    kennyg Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2007 Illinois

    I gave up using a siphon. It did work well but just took so long. I bought some small screens that fit into my funnel; didn't stay in place.

    I've actually started dumping everything into the fermenter. Of course I put my hops into a nylon bag during the boil so mostly I'm just adding break material into the fermenter. Haven't noticed a difference.

    I may return to the whirlpool followed by siphon with bag over then end as that has seemed to work the best in my opinion. Also whilrfloc or irish moss is key.
     
  9. TickleMeTony

    TickleMeTony Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2013 Colorado

    So what I've summed up from all these great responses is I should buy large funnel and just dump it in? You mean just a normal funnel you would find for other kitchen tasks? Should I be careful dumping it in as to not oxidize the shit out of it? And also, second thing I got was to use a hop spider in the boil so I don't get crazy amounts of wet hops and free floating clogging everything up.
     
  10. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    You should not be transferring to your fermenter until the wort is at (or a bit below) the temperature it will ferment at. At that temperature, there is no problem introducing oxygen, in fact it is important to introduce oxygen to achieve a healthy fermentation.
     
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  11. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Go to home depot. Buy nylon paint strainer bags. Sanitize them. Sanitize whatever you use to attach them (keep in mind rubber bands are dirty). Fold and wrap several layers around the bottom of the auto-siphon. Keeps hops out (leaf or pellet). You'll re-evaluate your stance on auto-siphons.
     
  12. CDennyRun

    CDennyRun Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2014 Washington

    I think it's a great idea to aerate the wort before and after pitching your yeast. I don't use a auto siphon to transfer to the primary, I just use a large strainer and poor it strait in (if you're using a carboy for a primary use a hand held strainer and funnel) If you have a bucket for primary, you don't need the funnel. And to be honest, I don't mind if I have a small amount of hop leaves and seeds in my primary. Not a big deal at all. I've seen people dump everything in there.

    I would imagine using a siphon to transfer to primary without a spider would be a nightmare! You poor guy. Ha ha ha

    Brew on!

    Chris
     
  13. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    You want to oxidize the shit out of it before you pitch the yeast...after you've cooled it down of course :wink:
     
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  14. king_harvest

    king_harvest Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2014

    Isn't it a lot easier to just pour it down a funnel than to try to siphon it? You only need the siphon for transferring from the fermentation vessel to individual bottles (if there is not spigot on the vessel).

    Assuming of course it's not a 10-gallon+ batch.
     
  15. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    FUBAR

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    Fermenter - yeast
    Fermentor - fermenters' workplace
     
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  16. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Just in case it wasn't clear, I was making light of the "oxidize" comment. You "oxygenate" your wort prior to pitching.

    Just making sure I don't actually cause confusion.
     
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  17. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    OP: what do you use for a fermentor? Ale pail (bucket) or carboy?
    I use a bucket, my process is to dump it through a big kitchen strainer, which gets the gunk out and aerates the heck out of the beer-to-be at the same time.
    Very involved, I know. :slight_smile:
    One thing you could do if you do use a carboy is, once the wort is cooled, stir it with a (sanitized) spoon. get it moving, but don't splash if you can help it. Get it going pretty good, then leave it be to settle. All the hops and break material will settle in a cone in the middle of the kettle (this is called whirlpooling) At that point, you can use the siphon along the edge to get the wort out. You may get a tiny bit of stuff, but the majority will stay in the kettle.
     
  18. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I agree with just pouring it into your fermentor, and you can use a strainer to catch most of the trub. The strainer provides good oxygenation as a bonus. However, since the trub is mostly at the bottom, just pour it short and leave the trub in the fermentor.

    Two other points: if you get a funnel as well as a strainer, get them as large as you can, but not so large that they won't fit into your sanitizer bucket for a good dunking.

    Also, I've discovered that the pouring process works okay for 5 gallons or smaller batches, but if you need to pour larger batches, then you need to beef up your arm muscles a bit. :wink:

    Edit: one more thing for using a funnel into the neck of a carboy you need to use a spacer of some sort to keep the funnel's spout from sealing tight against the glass. Air needs to escape while you are pouring the wort into the funnel.
     
  19. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Some people take s swig of vodka or bourbon before they put their mouth to the siphon hose. As others have said, you don't need a siphon at all here.

    I'd recommend you test out your auto-siphon before you try to use it again. Fill a container with water and run it successfully into your bath tub or something. Just try to get a feel for it and make sure you sanitize it before you rack into your bottling bucket. I've also noticed that it fits together better when the inside of the tubes are wet (from sanitizer).
     
  20. TickleMeTony

    TickleMeTony Initiate (0) Sep 18, 2013 Colorado

    I've been reading that filling up the siphon (not auto siphon) completely with water before trying to start it up and letting gravity pull the wort to get it started. Makes sense to me. I think I am going to transfer my wort into primary fermenter (glass carboy) via funnel and strainer then to rack from primary into SECONDARY fermenter, I will use a siphon. We will see how it goes in a few days! She's fermenting nicely in my closet as we speak.

    ALL HAIL IPA 1, BATCH 001!!!!!!
     
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