Rating Style: What do you look for?

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by TheBrewo, Jun 1, 2014.

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  1. TheBrewo

    TheBrewo Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2010 New York

    Happy Saturday all!! So the lady and I were talking, and we've gotten a little tired of the way write do our reviews, and were thinking we would maybe start switching things up a bit. We typically review rather rigidly and objectively, trying to make sure we hit the high points of each aspect of each brew. We were thinking of either switching to a framed/list format, or a more narrative, subjective discussion of each beer.

    So it begs the question...what do you guys find more helpful when you're looking to read a review on a beer you haven't had?! Do you like the more objective lists of what notes were found where, or would you rather read more of an impression or discussion of the beer?!
     
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  2. Treyliff

    Treyliff Grand Pooh-Bah (5,025) Aug 10, 2010 West Virginia
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    I like reviews that tell me what flavors/smells are experienced.

    My biggest pet peeve in reviews: Users who start a review with "I'm not really a fan of the style, but."
     
  3. Hendry

    Hendry Pooh-Bah (1,831) Mar 8, 2013 Vermont
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    I find reading reviews before I try a new beer has the ability to create an expectation that is often hard to live up to. One guys says it is a hop bomb, another guy says it is malty.....the more reviews you read, you start to wonder if they are even reviewing the same beer!
     
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  4. maDUECEgunner

    maDUECEgunner Initiate (0) May 23, 2013 Minnesota

    write about the flavors and aromas as well as the bottled/ canned date if there is one.
     
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  5. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 California

    I find more often than not on BA, that if a beer has over 100 reviews, the Score is pretty damn accurate...
     
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  6. Houser

    Houser Pooh-Bah (1,736) Sep 10, 2012 Pennsylvania
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    i am not sure how to answer the question, but as a huge hoppy beer fan, i find it hard to trust a review when all the reviewer says is that the beer's aroma/taste is "lots of grapefruit, tropical fruits, mango...". im looking for something that differentiates the beer from another one. dont just tell me youre getting the same smell on this beer that you had on the last one. check the youtube video reviews on some of the top ipas/iipas, from some of the top reviewers, and it feels like the all say the same thing.

    and i agree 100% with @RBassSFHOPit2ME: although i dont consider myself an expert by any means, i find my more recent ratings have been pretty damn close to the actual score on this site.
     
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  7. djsmith1174

    djsmith1174 Savant (1,015) Aug 21, 2005 Minnesota

    I read them on occasion, but take them with a grain of salt. And I don't like to read them prior to trying a beer for the first time. I want my experience to be mine, not skewed by someone else's. Ultimately I'm going to return to beers that I enjoy, regardless of their ratings by others.

    When I do read them, I prefer those that loosely follow the typical structure and give a good description of the experience they felt. Many people tend to get overly wordy in an effort to sound knowledgeable in my experience. It's a beer review, not a poem.
     
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  8. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I honestly like both. Some people write detailed, nearly scientific explanations of the specific aromas and flavors they encounter. That's useful to me. Others write near poetry with how the lovely liquid ebbs and flows, washing over the tongue, tickling their senses, warming their veins. I like those, too.

    .......Ummm, I guess I'm just not picky. Write however you want to write. :slight_smile:
     
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  9. GRG1313

    GRG1313 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,974) Jan 15, 2009 California
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    Respectfully, if you're going to "rate" the beer it is my opinion that you MUST rate to style. A true judge, a true review, in my opinion, is one that is as objective as possible. For example, if you hate Stouts, but as one who feels sufficiently competent to "rate" a beer, it's a very good stout, it should be rated as a very good stout; or, if outstanding or perfect, then it should be so rated - even if you hate it! That's what judging is all about. Of course, in the "rating" (since there is no system here to rate objectively vs subjectively) the subjective part can be part of your review. I.e., "I don't like stouts but this is a well made perfect stout for those of you who do like stouts." And, your score should be your "objective" score in my opinion.
     
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  10. cyrushire

    cyrushire Initiate (0) May 25, 2012 Florida

    Less is more. That's why I just look at the numbers. If I see the words chocolate or vanilla I'm generally sold regardless of what else you write.
     
  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Agreed. Plus, there are a number of folks on BA I've gotten to know over the years who seem to have tastes that are similar to mine. So if I see a review from one of them, I tend to pay particular attention to what they had to say about the beer.

    I actually prefer it when someone reviewing a beer, mentions up front that they're not a huge fan of the style. Nothing annoys me more than when I see someone ripping on a beer, and then it turns out that they've had a similar reaction to every beer they've ever tried made in that style. I'm not saying they shouldn't try or review beers made in a style they don't prefer (people and tastes change), but I appreciate the up front caveat if someone has certain prejudices about a particular style.

    I'll finish by also saying that I respectfully disagree with GRG1313 when it comes to rating to style. I agree that style is something one should always keep in mind when reviewing a beer, but I don't care how well some brewer makes a light american adjunct lager; light, near flavorless, watery swill is never going to win any points with me. However, that's just my opinion... :slight_smile:
     
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  12. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    But that's the thing, a lot of beers are very much the same, and would get similar responses. At a recent fest, a new brewery was pouring, and my friends and I tried their beers. We were discussing the IPA, and my friends were all raving about it. When my turn came I basically said that it was good, that I enjoyed it, but it wasn't unique. After getting some verbal abuse, I listed 6-7 local IPAs that I thought tasted about the same, and were the same general quality. The point being, there's only so much wiggle room within a given style, so a lot of beers are going to taste very similar, if not being almost identical.
     
  13. LiquidAmber

    LiquidAmber Grand Pooh-Bah (5,734) Feb 20, 2009 Washington
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    The design of the reviewing system makes it difficult to not have subjective opinion affect reviews. I use BA to keep track of what styles, breweries and beers that have tried and whether I liked them or not. With the revamping of the system a year or so ago, there is no way on BA to differentiate between a beer that was well made and to style (but I just don't like the style that much) or a beer that just isn't that good, except to add modifying statements to the review. A mediocre score with the statement "this isn't my style" at least makes this clear. I stopped reviewing most sours here because I generally don't enjoy them. However, I do review each sour style and brewery so I can track what I've tried. The stats are very useful for me when I'm shopping, especially out of town. I advocated for an unrated "Had" category when the system was revamped last year, which I could have used to mark beers that I had tried, but did not feel confident about rating with justice or experience. Without that feature, I think a fair subjectove rating with the caveat that it's not a favorite style is the best bet. As others pointed out, the beauty of large sample sizes means that a few outliers (I will never review a ton of sours because it is a waste of time and money) will be eventually be statistically meaningless, overwhelmed by the many reviews by folks who like the style.
    Tastes change and it seems like review ratings should reflect that to be useful.
     
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  14. TheBrewo

    TheBrewo Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2010 New York

    Thanks so much gang, lots of great input!!
     
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