Ratings... should the contribution be restricted?

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by SanDiegoCraftFan, Apr 10, 2012.

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  1. SanDiegoCraftFan

    SanDiegoCraftFan Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2011 California

    I know this will cause some fuss... but I have been going through some of the ratings here on BA, and really feel like some of the individuals contributing to the system do more harm than good.

    Don't get me wrong, I love the participation by everyone in giving information about a special brew, but my idea would be to place some kind of guideline on what is submitted.

    First of all, I CANNOT STAND when people rate a beer poorly, then go on to state that the style beer they are rating is one of their least favorite. That rating should immediately be thrown away. Some (not all) people have the tendency to rate their favorite style brew higher than others. That is not correct.

    When submitting, one should really look at how this particular beverage of this style compares to others of the SAME STYLE.

    Am I crazy here? Should I just shutup? I definitely do not mean to upset/offend anyone here, because we are all here because we LOVE the same thing. Amazing beer.
     
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  2. lucas1801

    lucas1801 Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2012 Massachusetts

    You aren't crazy and it has bugged me forever, but there isn't any way around it. I just think if you don't like the style don't review it. I guess if an rdev is +/- a certain number they could be thrown out, but that would throw a monkey wrench into the current ratings most likely.
     
  3. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    this won't cause any fuss; it's been posted countless times before.

    no, no one should be restricted from reviewing on BA as long as they follow the rules. if you think a review is inappropriate, report it to the bros. i've done this before myself, and it does work if there's actually something wrong with the review.
     
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  4. oglmcdgl

    oglmcdgl Initiate (0) Mar 10, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Give it time young friend. You've only been on the site for a few months. don't let the hate get to you so soon. You have plenty of time for that. How many beers have you reviewed.
     
  5. SanDiegoCraftFan

    SanDiegoCraftFan Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2011 California

    I haven't fully reviewed anything yet. I definitely have my opinion on things, but I only have about 2 years of experience, and about 200 different small-mid brewery (not mass produced) beers under my belt. I don't think I am ready, or should be throwing my opinion out to everyone as of yet. Now, in the other hand, if you want a wine reviewed, let me know! With 90 pct accuracy, I would be able to tell you the grape varietal, region is was grown, and vintage within 3 years... Blind. :slight_smile:
     
  6. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    On the whole it's best not to buy and drink a beer of a style you don't like!
    You have to stand back.One of the things I do for CAMRA is to survey pubs and find out how good their beer is.This does mean that on occasion I drink a brew which is far from being a favourite and wouldn't normally buy.Same thing applies when judging in competitions-I have to ignore personal preference and review the beer from an objective point of view.
     
  7. Hanzo

    Hanzo Initiate (0) Feb 27, 2012 Virginia

    I mean in theory it sounds good, stop people that don't like Sours from reviewing Sours for example, but once you start censoring reviews it starts to discount the whole review score system, then we'll have dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.
     
  8. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Simply put: No.

    Why?
    • It would greatly deter people from reviewing.
    • People and their palates need to start somewhere. You can't expect everyone to be experts or expect them to become experts before posting reviews. Let people have their say. And remember that just because you don't agree doesn't make you right.
    • This is a consumer website. Subjectivity, bias, inexperience and numerous other factors related to consumer palates drinking commercial beer in varying environments will come into play.
    That's just off the top of my head. I could go on. And I could also say that what bugs me are people who only review beers they like and/or give everything they try a good score/positive review: http://beeradvocate.com/user/beers?ba=SanDiegoCraftFan

    Just sayin'. :wink: (We can all pick apart and complain about things other people do that we don't like.)
     
  9. ShogoKawada

    ShogoKawada Initiate (0) May 31, 2009 Pennsylvania


    The best way to gain experience is to do it. Jump in, buy a new beer, try and give it a review. It doesn't have to be the best review in the world- but by getting into the process you'll sharpen your skills at it.

    You've had 200 craft beers? That's far more than some people who review. And you have a reviewing background with wine. You're more than 'qualified' to review, give it a rip!
     
  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I agree with Shogo. You sound more ready than the people you're complaining about. Review more! You say it causes more harm, but I say it can't hurt. :wink:
     
  11. t0rin0

    t0rin0 Pooh-Bah (2,796) Dec 30, 2006 California
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    What people need to learn about these beer sites is exactly this:

    Usually with uber hyped beers (with a fair amount of reviews) at the very least it will be a decent beer. With beers that have a terrible score (and a fair amount of reviews) at best they'll be a decent beer. So cast your vote so the rest can get a better idea of what the average beer nerd thinks about the beer.
     
  12. SanDiegoCraftFan

    SanDiegoCraftFan Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2011 California

    You are absolutely right. I am guilty in scoring my own stuff (I didn't know that everyone could see that, I had done that to keep tabs of what I had and liked! There are quite a few not on that list that were terrible!).
    No matter what, we have you to thank for creating the forum for us to post our thoughts, feelings, and experiences with beer. Thank you for that!!!

    I am definitely NOT a fan of censoring anyone's opinion, as they are all valuable in some way... I think to dig a little deeper into my original thought, are there trained reviewers whose scoring might be weighted a little more?

    Best quote by the way, "And remember that just because you don't agree doesn't make you right."

    Amen!
     
  13. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    It's possible to review a style one doesn't care for fairly, and I'd like to see more people do it. Scotch Ales are among my least favorite styles, but I keep trying them, because sometimes I hit on one that I like. As long as I recognize that a beer is good for it's style, and rate it fairly, I'll keep trying them.

    The flip side is true as well, not every example of one's favorite style is great. I love Tripel's, and have a hard time not giving them all high scores. But I make myself try to be objective. I don't compare a Scotch Ale to a Tripel and say that the Tripel is automatically better, I'll say that this Scotch is a better Scotch, than that Tripel is a Tripel.
     
  14. seanh99

    seanh99 Zealot (731) Sep 11, 2007 Massachusetts

    The "Hads" with a simple rating is a good tool for tracking, I have some in my hads that I would like to go back and review and a couple that I hope I never see again.
     
  15. UncleJimbo

    UncleJimbo Grand Pooh-Bah (3,771) Sep 11, 2002 Massachusetts
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    What are you trying to do? Knock every Imperial Stout out of the Top 100?? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  16. TMoney2591

    TMoney2591 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,139) Apr 21, 2009 Illinois
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    I sure as hell hope not! Every tongue's opinion is valid, whether they've had 2 beers or 2,000, whether they hate certain styles or love them, whether they know how to eruditely put their taste perceptions into words or they're only able to just list some vague sense o' what they're sloshin' 'round in their mouths. I will echo the sentiments of the best liberal arts professors (and students) out there: As long as you speak your mind and can back up your opinion, you'll do just fine.
     
  17. woosterbill

    woosterbill Pooh-Bah (2,807) Apr 6, 2009 Kentucky
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    If you only want to see reviews from the most experienced reviewers, just click the "Top Reviewers" button on a beer's page to sort its reviews in descending order based on total # of reviews a user has contributed. Obviously "trained" is not necessarily the same thing as "experienced," but you'll at least be dealing with people who are definitely familiar with the style in question.
     
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  18. CMUbrew

    CMUbrew Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Michigan

    Nobody should be restricted from reviewing, but I think there should be an easier way to report bad reviews. Specifically I'm referring to the ones where the person states flat out that they are "reviewing" simply because they like the beer and they think its rating is too low and proceed to give it 4.5s and 5s without including anything that constitutes a real review. A simple Report button under each review seems like a good step towards clearing out bad/spam reviews in my opinion.
     
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  19. liamt07

    liamt07 Pooh-Bah (2,657) Jul 26, 2009 Canada (ON)
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    Started a thread about this on the old site and thought that maybe restricting the contribution of new reviewers' reviews to the overall score of a beer may be beneficial ie. until you have X (25-50 or whathaveyou) amount of reviews, your numerical rating of a beer will not contribute to the overall score, however the review and score can still be posted (I think the other site has a limitation similar to this which may be useful). May help to curb artificially inflated scores from people with a very small amount of reviews or people joining the site to blow-up/knock down a particular beer(s) score
     
  20. nrs207

    nrs207 Initiate (0) Sep 8, 2011 Pennsylvania

    It's just the way it is. I try to review to what I think comparatively about a beer. DIPAs always tend to be higher for me, but if I don't like a beer I won't rate it horribly if it's in a style I don't like as much. I'll just mark it as a had and give it a comparative score, instead of trying to review it when I'm not a good person to be writing the review. I don't like Belgians nearly as much as IPAs, but I won't shit on a beer if it's a good Belgian and I can tell it's good for the style. People who review imperial stouts saying that they hate roasty beers and give KBS or something a 2, that's a different story on the other hand. I don't think that gives people any idea of what a beer is really like.
     
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