Rauchbier help.

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  1. Timmush

    Timmush Pundit (931) Jan 5, 2008 New Jersey

    Do you have to use a Lager yeast?
    I am thinking there is so much smoke it wont make a difference, but I figure it is usually lagered for a reason.
    Either way, what is the yeast of choice?
    Thanks.
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A classic Rauchbier would be brewed with a lager yeast. The yeast strains that come to mind are 2206, 2308, and 2633. I would suggest 2633 (Oktoberfest Lager Blend).

    I know that some people have brewed Oktoberfest style bees using neutral ale yeast since they do not have lagering capability. I have had a few commercially brewed Oktoberfest ales and I enjoyed drinking them.

    If you want to brew a Rauchbier using an ale yeast then you should select a neutral strain and ferment on the cool side (low 60s). Some neutral ale yeast strains are WY1056/WLP001/US-05, 1007 and 2565.

    Cheers!
     
  3. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Are you talking about classic Bamberg Rauchbier? If so, then IMO yes, you need a lager yeast. Any fruity esters are out of place and definitely noticeable, despite the smoke (matter of fact, they seem to clash heavily with the phenols).

    As for yeast, depends on what you want the malt profile to be; I've had best success with WLP820 (the Ayinger Oktoberfest/Maerzen strain). Saflager 34/70 will give you a cleaner finish, but I find that with the milder smoke from the Weyermann Rauchmalz, the 820 works better.
     
  4. Timmush

    Timmush Pundit (931) Jan 5, 2008 New Jersey

    thanks! guys. what % Rauchmalt do you use?
     
  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Well it is a lager, so I would say yes. Advice given by herrburgess is solid. If you are an ale-only type homebrewer, a couple of tips: I used two packs of re-hydrated 34/70 in 5 gallons and had a fairly long lag time (18 hours). Fermentation completed okay, but the "high-krausen" mark in the primary was only about 1½". As an ale brewer this concerned me . . . but this is bottom fermenting yeast, so adjust expectations. My rauchbier had so little smoky aroma/taste when racked that I was worried. But the lagering is bringing it all together. Lagers . . . a different ballgame.

    For a classic rauchbier the guidelines for smoked malt are 40-80%. I used 50% and in about another 30 days will be able to give you some detailed feedback. Caution: lots of variables in the production/shipping of smoked malt, ideally you want a true Bamberg smoked-malt You really want a supplier that knows what they are doing . . . otherwise you don't know what you're getting.
     
  6. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    I find that between 70 and 75% Rauchmalz works best. Rest of grain bill comprises pilsner and Munich malts. Maybe a bit of CaraMunich II, depending upon how you feel about it.

    OTOH, I am now planning a batch using 100% Rauchmalz and a single decoction mash. Aiming for around 70% efficiency and 1.052 OG.

    Also keep in mind that a Rauchbier like Schlenkerla Maerzen is fairly highly hopped, to around 30 IBU. I like Tettnanger hops for my Rauchbier.
     
  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Just one point, many claim that WLP 833 is the Ayinger yeast. Very clean, low diacetyl producer. It did very well in the last Rauchbier I made.
     
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  8. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Good catch. My mistake. Sorry, OP.

    The 2633 Jack quoted above is also reputed to be from Ayinger. Either of those should work well, if you're lagering.
     
  9. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Didn't realize I am fueling the fire of a super secret recipe here....
     
  10. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I have used WLP029 in a Rauchbier and it was excellent. I prefer WLP830.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I can envision a Kolsch yeast strain making a nice Rauchbier; that is why I mentioned 2565 in my prior post.

    Cheers!
     
  12. rocdoc1

    rocdoc1 Savant (1,215) Jan 13, 2006 New Mexico

    Use lager if you're wanting a true German style rauchbier. But smoked malts work in a variety of styles like porters and even hefeweizens.
     
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