Re-orientation

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  1. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    As I'm getting back into the homebrewing game I'm realizing I could use a little re-orientation. I brewed another pale ale this weekend, and everything went to plan - I was within .02 of my target OG, and spot on with my volume.

    I realized I might be out of practice when I found myself measuring out 12 oz of hops for 5.5 gallons of what was supposed to be a more "normal" pale ale (more like SNPA than NE-anything).

    I checked my older recipes and usually would max out at 5-6 oz total for comparable strength/volume/style. I'm not terribly concerned about bitterness, but I swore this was going to have more malt character; it's 25% Munich, 75% MO.

    Hops are Cascade, Glacier and Ahtanum.

    What's a "normal" hopping rate for you for a more old school/basic pale ale?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    IMO, 12 ounces is a lot of hops for an APA. But as you discovered, hopping rates (though not necessarily bitterness) have been escalating in recent years.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  4. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Thanks guys! That’s what I was realizing when I noticed I used the rest of the hops I had on hand.

    I found looking at my old recipes 2-3 oz for a mild to be totally believable, but 4-6 for an APA seemed so low, even though they were beers I made!
     
  5. zestd

    zestd Savant (1,071) Jan 18, 2013 Idaho

    I brewed an old school west coast ipa yesterday and I'll only be running with like 10 oz total.
     
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  6. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    No such thing these days with normal hopping . Everyone does it their own way.
     
  7. Merlyn

    Merlyn Aspirant (261) Jan 17, 2021 Michigan

    what were the timings on your hops?
     
  8. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    .3 oz 16.4% Warrior at 20 min
    Then the rest from 10-0. Cascade was the highest AA of the bunch at 6.4%, Glacier at 4.6%, and Ahtanum was 5.7%. 4 oz of each in various proportions in the last 10 minutes.
     
  9. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Nice using glacier. Love that hop.
     
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  10. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I’ve probably used it in close to half of my recipes...
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have yet to brew with Glacier. How would you describe the aroma/flavors that this hop brings to the resulting beers? Is there a beer style(s) that you recommend for this hop?

    Cheers!
     
  12. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    It has an earthy orange citrus aroma and flavor to me . Less grapefruit than cascade and more subtle than Amarillo. It’s a really nice compliment hop imho. I’ve also used it 100% and was very happy with a classic pale ale.
     
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  13. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    I’ve never used it 100%, but I get more earthiness and dark berries (blackberries, blueberries) than citrus. To me it’s kind of like what Willamette is to Fuggles, but for Brambling Cross.
     
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  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    We probably got different years and different terroir. I wouldn’t mind the description you gave at all.
     
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  15. nomisugitai

    nomisugitai Zealot (730) Mar 11, 2006 New Jersey

    My normal hopping would be 2 oz of high alpha hops for 60 minutes, 1 to 2 oz late/after boil, and 1/2 to 1 oz in the keg. This modern use of so much hops seems crazy to me. I still have that old feeling that hoppy = bitterness.
     
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  16. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    It IS crazy. I recently did another pale ale that was meant to be a NE-style with minimal malt character and a full/soft mouthfeel. I used 12oz of Chinook and it’s not terribly bitter. I am thinking though that it is terribly inefficient.
     
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