Recategorizing Shiner Bock (and others)

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  1. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    After reviewing the ratings for readily available bocks (and there are few), I was surprised to find that Shiner Bock is actually categorized as a bock even though it really does not meet the description of a bock as it weighs in at only 4.4% ABV. It is a decent enough beer that got me through my early twenties, but maybe it needs to be categorized under a different style. Many of the reviews identify it as a Vienna style lager. Just because a brewery claims they make a certain style of beer, we shouldn't just take them on their word, should we? After all, I see advertisements that claim Miller Lite is a pilsner. Thankfully, this site does not categorize Miller Lite as such.

    Anyway, I thought it was worth bringing up for discussion. I am sure there are other examples out there that exist, although I certainly hope this doesn't become an argument as to where to draw the line between single IPAs and double IPAs....which we all know is 6% ABV.:wink:
     
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  2. Yargamo

    Yargamo Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2015 New York

    Sumthin Sumthin is an IPA. I don't give a fuck what Tony Magee thinks
     
  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    If you have something thoughtful to back it up (as opposed to just being willy-nilly), you can always put in a change request here.
     
  4. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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  5. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    It's an old-school American-style bock, not the German style. Just a few decades ago there were a bunch of them, and now precious few- perhaps just look at it as a surviving bit of Americana, and even try to appreciate it on that level.
     
  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    In a perfect world you may have a point. But I think the policy of categorizing a beer by what the Brewer labels it as is the simplest method when dealing with thousands of beers.
     
  7. Scott17Taylor

    Scott17Taylor Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2013 Iowa
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    I get what you're saying, but beers should be categorized by what the brewery wants to call it. If it doesn't line up with what you think it should be for the style fine, there are many beers that aren't 100% to the intended style but reclassifying the beer to what you think it better fits makes no sense.
     
  8. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    I acknowledge this in my original post.

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  9. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    I suppose this is an appropriate place as any to ask how beers are actually classified on this site? I think it is worth noting that new BJCP guidelines for 2015 were recently published. There have been major changes since the last publication in 2008. Perhaps this site does not acknowledge BJCP as the most valid source, however.
     
  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Why would you assume that? Kind of silly.

    As far as how they're classified, it's user submitted and mostly based on the style the brewer lists or put into the style that matches the beer the most.

    We also plan on overhauling styles and are leaning towards the Brewers Association's style guidelines.
     
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  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You do, but who are we to start going against the brewer's intentions? Slippery slope ...
     
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  12. Smokingtony

    Smokingtony Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Texas

    I was actually being quite honest with my assumption that the site might not view BJCP as the most valid source, which seems to be confirmed based on your last comment regarding a preference for Brewer's Association style guidelines. My assumption was based on the premise that consumer reviews and judging a beer by style are two very different things, and I view this site as more of a consumer review site. I am also willing to assume that most craft beer consumers are probably not even aware of BJCP guidelines.

    Seriously though, I'm not trying to be rude here.
     
  13. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    That would be a big increase in the number of styles if all of the Hybrid styles are used.

    Would every beer need to be manually re-assigned?
     
  14. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    The attribute weights on our beer ratings are a nod to the BJCP, so...the only thing confirmed here is that one shouldn't make assumptions.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/how-to-review-a-beer.241156/
     
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