I have been brewing a few months, and have a couple of extract batches under my belt at this point, and I am trying to bring myself a step at a time into formulating my own recipes rather than buying a kit and tweaking or adding additional things to the already written recipe. I have an idea for a beer that i would like to make for a special event, and I am not sure what the best way to proceed is. The base of the beer i want to make is what I guess I would call an Imperial Irish Stout, so basically just a higher abv version of the classic Irish Stout. This base beer would ideally have an abv of 8.5% to 9%. What my question is, is would it be a better idea to buy a kit for an Irish Stout, then just add on additional ingredients to get the original gravity up to the desired level, or should I just go from scratch and try to put together my own recipe? I have a feeling the best way to go would be the second option to get the best control over the final product, but my concern is that it doesn't come out very well, and then I won't feel comforable bringing it to the event I was making it for. Any advice or help is greatly appreciated by an admitted homebrewing noob.
You're relatively new to brewing and you want to brew a beer for some event. My recommendation would be to play it safe and use a proven kit/recipe. I'm not saying don't make the beer you're thinking about as a learning experience...but I'd at very least have a less risky backup in case the experiment doesn't trun out the way you hope.
Agree with Vikeman. Go with something proven. Norther Brewer has great kits; here's a Stout Kit from NB that is similar to what you are shooting for, although the ABV will be slightly less.
Thanks for the response. I suppose I could make an experimental batch and let that one get started, then make a backup just in case. The event I would be making this for is an anniversary celebration for a friends business, so it would be mostly a surprise. I haven't mentioned that I was planning on making something for it, but thought it would be a nice surprise if I could pull it off. I do have a little bit of time to get it sorted out, I just wanted to start planning so I would know what i was doing when the time came.
The value in using a kit is that presumably someone has brewed it before and thought about how the ingredients will come together. I think this is especially useful with extract kits because different extracts are made differently. Some have crystal malts in them, some have roasted malts in them, even some of the pale extracts have carapils in them. If you don't know your extract well, you can't really be sure what ingredients to build into the recipe. On the other hand, if Northern Brewer's Imperial Stout kit includes some sort of dark extract, you can be pretty confident that they already did some troubleshooting to accomodate for the fact that the dark in their dark extract comes from mostly crystal (or roasted) malts. So, if the advice of using a kit doesn't sit well with you, consider this alternative advice: Build your recipe around a light extract as a base malt and get your colors from crystal and roasted malts. And this additional advice: To begin to get an idea of how much specialty malt to use, look to well-established recipes, like those in Brewing Classic Styles or those in Northern Brewer's kits. As an example of how not to do things (which I think reinforces the advice above), my first recipe was intended to be a malty amber with a touch of chocolate malt and crystal malt and amber extract. What I got was an overly sweet porter like beer because (1) I didn't realize that the amber extract already had a significant amount of crystal malt and (2) I had no concept for a "touch" of crystal and chocolate malt.
I think I remember reading this in a different thread, maybe on a different homebrewing forum, that even if you are brewing extract, to still try and think like an AG brewer, where they typically use a one or a combination of pale malts as the base and then get the flavors and colors from specialty malts. On another note, two of the three people that replied to me have mentioned Northern Brewer. I purchased my starter equipment kit on a Living Social deal from Midwest Supplies because it was really cheap for what I got, so I have just been shopping there, but I don't ever see them mentioned on homebrewing forums like I do with NB. Is NB way superior with their kits and ingredients?
I don't know much about their kits, but I can say that as far as ingredients go, NB and Midwest sell pretty much the same products.
Imperial Stouts do not drink the best (in my oppinion) without some age on it. I prefer one year. Stouts are an easy beer for extract brewers. Formulating your own recipes and drinking the results are what makes this hobby fun. Good luck!
Yes, building recipes around pale extracts is the best way to go. This is not to imply that dark extracts are crap - just that they are limited because you don't know exactly why they are dark. (So, not crap, but still a crapshoot?)You could probably make a 100% extract beer with a dark extract, taste it, and then build an enhanced recipe around that extract by layering additional specialty malts around them according to your sensory perception of the fermented extract. Of course, Briess (or whoever) might change the formulation of their extract, and you would be back to square one. I mentioned Northern Brewer specifically because they give links to recipes on their site. You can actually get a great deal of the recipe info from MW too by enlarging the picture of the box on their kits' web pages - ingredients are listed on the boxes. I buy from both stores. My understanding is that they are now sort of partners, at least in their mail order operations, and I wouldn't be surprised if price gaps disappear. But maybe I am misinformed and delusional. It wouldn't be the first time.
Yeah, that's why i was planning now. I have until next year for the beer to finish, so I wanted to get started on it as soon as I felt comforatable with what I was going to do/my recipe. Looks like i am going to put together my own recipe for an imperial, get that started, then a little closer to time for the anniversary I can make a backup if I am not sure about how the imperial is going to turn out.