Recipe Critique for Imperial IPA

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  1. nlthompson2

    nlthompson2 Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2010 Indiana

    NOTE: Title of the thread is wrong....this is just an American IPA, not an Imperial.

    This is the first beer I've ever tried designing. It is intended to be a single hop IPA. I want that hop to be Zeus hops, but can't seem to find them in pellets, so am just going to substitute with Columbus since everyone says they are so similar anyhow. Critique away, I need it.

    5 gallon batch
    Estimated OG: 1.074
    Estimated FG: 1.018
    ABV: 7.5%
    IBU: 70

    GRAIN:
    9.9 lbs of Pilsner Liquid Extract
    1.5 lbs Crystal Malt 40
    1 lb Biscuit Malt
    .5 lbs Cara-Pils

    HOPS:
    1 oz. Columbus (14% AA) at 60 min.
    1 oz. Columbus (14% AA) at 20 min.
    1 oz. Columbus (14% AA) at 5 min.
    2 oz. Columbus (14% AA) dry hop for 5 days

    YEAST:
    Wyeast American Ale 1056

    Thoughts?
     
  2. nlthompson2

    nlthompson2 Initiate (0) Jun 19, 2010 Indiana

    Also....i forgot to change the title of the thread....its just an American IPA, not an Imperial.
     
  3. trginter

    trginter Pundit (755) Dec 1, 2008 Michigan

    Almost looks like a single IPA. Sounds tasty though. Maybe try kicking up your hop additions, 2 oz. @ 60 and 2 oz. @ 20

    EDIT - Posted before you edited thread title.

    I've brewed two pretty damn good IPAs, all-grain, using only base malt and crystal. 15lb total, 1lb being Crystal.
     
  4. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Looks pretty good to me as well. I've never used that hop but it should be fine. Personally I would only dry hop with one oz. but like I said that's just my personal opinion. I've been brewing 2.5 gallon batches for the last 6 months (downgraded from 5 gallons) and have been dry hopping with 1 oz for 4-5 days and it has seemed too much for the first 3 weeks or more in the bottle. Not bad, just too much.
     
  5. convie

    convie Initiate (0) Mar 31, 2010 Canada (ON)

    doesn't biscuit need to be mashed?
     
  6. Jeffh97

    Jeffh97 Devotee (344) Jan 18, 2012 Missouri

    Yes

    Recipe looks to be a pretty good single ipa
     
  7. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Just FYI, Zeus and Columbus (and Tomahawk) aren't just similar, they're actually the exact same hop. This has been proven with DNA testing. They are often collectively referred to as "CTZ" for this reason.
     
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  8. Pahn

    Pahn Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2009 New York

    1) re: grain bill in general, you probably want to do a partial mash / mini mash (lots of instructions on google; it's easy), so you'll need some pale malt for that (can't just mash the specialty grains).

    2) re: specialty malts, 10% crystal is a lot for my tastes (at least in a single hop columbus IPA). i've made an IPA with 10% crystal 20 and i thought it was a little much. the hops in that beer were
    1.5oz chinook for bittering,
    3oz total of 1/2 simcoe 1/2 cascade for flavor and aroma,
    1.5oz total of the same 2 hops dry hop.
    5% would be about the highest i'd want to go if emphasizing a pungent hop, probably even lower (sweet and pungent not my favorite thing).
    love carapils in IPAs though.
    biscuit, i could have sworn my friend went on a huge biscuit kick and threw it in a couple pale ales, but going through his recipes i'm not finding any. regardless, i think it will do the beer good, though maybe it too is a bit high %wise.

    3) re: hop schedule, looks great to me. agree that going down to 1oz in dry hop could be a good idea, though i can never get enough stench in IPAs personally ._.
     
  9. ahalloin

    ahalloin Initiate (0) Jan 3, 2008 Virginia

    I agree with Pahn. Get a pound of pale malt or pils from a homebrew store and do a mini mash to make sure you aren't just adding a bunch more unfermentable dextrins aside from the bit you are already adding with cara-pils. If you can't get some base malt, then I'd adjust the grain bill accordingly to:

    9.9 lbs of Pilsner Liquid Extract
    10 oz. Crystal Malt 40
    .5 lbs Cara-Pils

    As you can see, I also think 1.5 lbs. of Crystal 40 is too much. I'm of the mindset that "less is more" especially when you are trying to showcase one particular hop variety.
     
  10. BMan1113VR

    BMan1113VR Zealot (726) Feb 6, 2008 California

    I'll second what some others have said: It looks like a lot of crystal malt...way too much in my opinion. And the biscuit malt needs to be mashed.

    As for the hopping, I personally would add more late addition hops (like another 2oz at KO).
     
  11. cg123

    cg123 Zealot (548) Feb 27, 2012 Ohio
    Trader

    I would drop all the specialty malts and add a pound of dextrose at flame out. You will have enough unfermentables in the extract that will give you body. My IPA's need to be dry, so when I brew one I go 85% 2 Row, 15% Munich and 1 lb dextrose. That's just me though. The best way I have learned in homebrewing is to do what you want to do and then alter things based on the outcome and your individual tastes.
     
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  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I don't think so.
     
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  13. nozferatu46

    nozferatu46 Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2008 Indiana

    The Biscuit needs to be mashed. Cara-Pils and the Crystal are both fine to be steeped.

    Can either change this to a partial mash, or drop the Biscuit.
     
  14. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    http://www.foamrangers.com/malts.phtml
    This is where i obtained the info...

    "
    Carapils
    (Dextrin Malt)

    " Dextrins lend body, mouth feel and palate fullness to beers, as well as foam stability. Carapils must be mashed with pale malt, due to its lack of enzymes. Use 5 to 20% for these properties without adding color.
    If this is wrong then I'll have to find a new quick reference
     
  15. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    You need a new quick reference.

    They are correct that there are no enzymes, but the malting process that creates the Cara malts (and roasted malts) converts the starches to sugars, and you are merely adding water to put the sugars into solution.

    The enzymes are required for malts that have starches that still require conversion.
     
  16. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    Thanks for clearing this up for me

    edit - I deleted my previous post
     
  17. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    All Comubus IPA works well. I would add more bittering hops if your attenuation runs relatively low like this - another oz of Columbus. And don't worry too much about the "calculated" IBUs.
     
  18. SaCkErZ9

    SaCkErZ9 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,057) Feb 27, 2005 South Carolina
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I like my IPA's dry as well. You could just add some plain table sugar to dry it up a bit. I dont think all that extract is going to ferment down to 1.018 anyway. Add some sugar to drop the FG down (maybe 1lb). I usually add atleast 2lbs sugar to my all grain DIPA's and it works very nice.
     
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