Looking at brewing my King JJJulius Clone recipe this coming weekend. Thoughts? https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/1353735/king-jjjuliusss-tree-house-clone
Here’s a few tips on Tree House Beers. Most of this comes from Nate over the years… Only Double IPAs with sugar are Bright series No wheat or oats 2 row and Weyermann Pilsner malt Carafoam 8% would be guess 4% of some 15L Crystal Brewers Crystals to get gravity up without additional malt flavor. Water is Sulfate heavy. 3:1 Sulfate to Chloride. CaSo4, CaCl, small amount of MgSo4. They have some other weird water addition that I don’t know. It’s something not on many people’s radars I’d guess. There’s definitely no Zamba in there. It’s probably Citra, Amarillo, and a bit of Simcoe and or Centennial. However good luck finding any Amarillo that doesn’t suck these days. I’d use whatever hops you have that smell the best. You don’t have nearly the quality of hops they have although with their beers the yeast esters trample their hops anyways. They use some weird yeast blend of some sort but it’s mostly S04. Pitch at 72, turn down to 62 the next day and keep there until 2 Plato from FG then let free rise. Dry hop a day before terminal and spund if you can. Their dry hop amounts aren’t that high so I’d guess for this it’s max 3.5#/bbl so do the math for your size batch. Pretty much everything you think you know about brewing “hazy beer” isn’t what they do. Or didn’t.. things might have changed.
This is the thread that @OldSock referenced in his blog on the Tree House yeast blend https://www.homebrewtalk.com/thread...ouse-how-to-identify-and-characterize.623221/ He landed at a 5:1:1 ration of S-04:T-58:WB-06
If you haven't had the chance to try it, they do quality stuff. A lot of it isn't too my liking, but still well made. They do a good job of hiring serving staff for the tasting room, also, which is great for me, since I stop by when I'm in the area and get to try the things that they make that are up my alley that either don't get packaged or don't show up in the shops I frequent.
FWIW, I brewed this ~4 weeks ago and it's tasting great. I filtered the hops out when I transferred to a bottling bucket using a muslin bag over a siphon and worked well. However I probably wouldn't have used the muslin bags in the whirlpool as I don't think I got as much utilization out of the hops. Haze, malt flavor, softness, body, head retention all ideal. Hops are just missing that huge orange & peach notes IMO. Likely because I used Mosaic in lieu of Simcoe, and possibly my Amarillo wasn't all that great either. If I brew it again I'll likely use Citra, Amarillo, Simcoe blend like suggested and replace the Zamba with Galaxy as I've heard recent batches of Galaxy have been better. I really wouldn't change much else. Oh, I did not use the sugar as I didn't think it needed it either.
- "Carafoam 8% would be guess" - I've read that but it's also been the same sites I've read about flaked oats, honey malt, and turbinado sugar as well - "No wheat or oats" - even the Tree House style IPA recipe Tree House has on their Youtube has 10% oats & London Ale III, but to your point they may have changed some things - i almost wondered if the recipe they posted on Youtube was where they started 10 years ago. - "3:1 Sulfate to Chloride" - this doesn't make sense if you want a soft mouthfeel but heard high sulfates are key to Hill Farmstead saisons and they seem soft & not sharp, so I'm sure there's something to this. - "spund if you can" - I need to figure out how to do this, currently I'm not sure I can with my current setup - plastic carboy & bottling beer (not kegging) - "3.5#/bbl so do the math for your size batch" - that's around 1.8oz per gallon, so around 9oz of dry hopping for a 5-gallon batch - i believe that's close to what I had
