Refractometer lesson/stuck fermentation

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  1. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I sort of agree. I got along quite well without one for a long time, and once I got it, I realized my use of it was going to be pretty limited (see how I use it above). If I made a list of the top 10 pieces of HB equipment that I own that I could do without, it would make the list.* Still, I find it helpful.

    *#1 on the list would be autosiphon.
     
  2. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Just a guess -- you've never actually used one ...correctly! :rolling_eyes:
     
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  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    You are correct...after seeing my brew buddy fuck with his and get wildly different readings while his kettle boiled over , I've decided to waste my money on something else. :slight_smile: Cheers
     
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  4. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    When I first got my refractometer, I did side by side with a hydrometer for a few batches - and it was pretty spot on for OG using a calculator to convert brix to gravity - FG hydrometer reading was always within a point of what the calculated conversion of brix in relation to OG came out (using an online calculator).

    A point or two is close enough as its not really the testing result that matters to me, but how I corrolate the testing result to how the beer tastes/feels. Like IBU's, its just a calculated data point which I can reference to help achieve the balance I am looking for when planning a future recipe - doesn't matter if its totally accurate, just consistent.

    I would imagine hitting target gravity for most homebrewers is a crap shoot anyway due to always using different yeast strains, brewing different styles and rarely repeating the same beer.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Part of his diffuculty is brewing software that doesn't consider some of the major factors that affect attenuation when predicting target FGs.
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That should read "Part of this difficulty..."
     
  7. skiofpinsk

    skiofpinsk Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2008 Pennsylvania

    I suppose the refractometer has been throwing a lot of confusion into this matter. The main reason I mentioned it was because of the inaccurate SG scale and how I didn't notice it until after I had started using it I figured I'd share my "discovery" (even though research I've done after that fact shows that many people are aware of this) in the hopes of helping someone else avoid making the same mistake. Five years in and there's always something new to learn with homebrewing.

    I took a reading with my hydrometer tonight, and got a reading of 1.042. Disregarding the erratic readings I've gotten with my refractometer (for whatever reason), the hydrometer confirms the beer hasn't continued fermenting. The sample I tasted seems pretty sweet, even though it's somewhere around 10-11% at the moment, so I want to say that it could continue a bit more. Browsing information across the internet it seems like pitching onto a yeast cake is the best chance of restarting. I'm willing to give it a shot in the hopes of dropping the gravity a bit more; even though the sample I tasted was good it would be better it it was slightly less sweet. Thoughts?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you go this route, make sure the yeast strain you use is tolerant of whatever ABV level you currently have.
     
  9. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Hmmmmm... Imagine that! :wink:
     
  10. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    I agree with the undependable part. But it is convenient!
    With experience you can learn the signs of a bad reading. I typically take numerous readings and often clean and check with water during use. Even with all of that, it is still more convenient than taking a hydrometer reading during sparge and boil and adjusting for temp. I do confess to be a data nut and take more readings than necessary, but I also do a lot of partigyles and I'm constantly blending worts to hit target OG's. The refractometer has made this much easier for me.
     
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  11. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    It's not convenient if it's not dependable, IMO. Chronic issues suggest a fault with the equipment, the technique, or both. Multiple readings are pretty damn consistent with mine.
     
  12. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
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    You probably have better one than I. Mine's a cheapo $30 Chinese model. It states it has ATC but I doubt that it does. So some of my misreadings I believe come from temperature issues, and others from technique (like you mention). I've found that if you over load the lens and the liquid spills out around the edge you get a fuzzy line. So in that case I retake the reading. Also, the plastic lens plate that spreads the liquid doesn't always sit flat, that seems to create bad readings as well. But for the price, I'm still happy with it. And mine is fairly consistent, I'd say 90% of the time it's dead on. But even with the best refractometer technique can screw up your readings.
     
  13. skiofpinsk

    skiofpinsk Initiate (0) Jun 18, 2008 Pennsylvania

    So it’s been a while and I figured I would add some closure to this topic.

    I decided that I would try to rack the beer on top of a yeast cake so I brewed up a stout I had been planning on brewing anyway. I used Wyeast 1084 Irish Ale yeast; even though the barleywine’s alcohol content was already near the yeast’s tolerance I didn't have many other options so I decided to try it. The stout fermented without any issues, and I bottled it and immediately racked the barleywine on top of the cake. I also added a small amount of corn sugar (~1 oz) and yeast nutrient dissolved in a cup of warm water to try and restart fermentation. I left it at room temps for a couple weeks, rousing the yeast gently halfway through, but didn’t notice any changes in the gravity.

    I finally decided to take the risk of creating bottle bombs and went ahead and bottled it. I tried to try and cut some of the sweetness by adding an ounce of Chinook hops to the priming sugar water (before adding sugar) and steeping for a couple minutes. I added it to the bottling bucket and racked the barleywine on top.

    I cracked a bottle with a buddy a couple weeks later and the entire 12 oz bottle gushed out. I got to taste a tiny amount and I noticed an odd flavor, but I didn’t dwell to long on it since I wasn’t sure if A) the bottle was infected or B) my sample was oxidized due to the heavy foaming. I ended up taking the risk (although I wore safety glasses and a thicker shirt) and opened each bottle to vent some of the CO2. Oddly enough some bottles were overcarbed and others weren’t. I would suspect uneven distribution of priming sugar solution but adding to the bucket and racking the beer on top has always worked well for me in the past. In any case I opened another bottle and definitely noticed the odd flavor I had noticed before. Almost like diacetyl but with a sort of vegetal flavor. The beer started off bready with some sweeter caramel flavors but the off flavor quickly dominated afterwards and lingered unpleasantly. I’ll have to do some research and see what might be causing these new issues. I might keep the beer around a bit longer to see what happens but I’m not holding out much hope.

    So there you have it. Lessons learned? 1) Forget the SG scale on a refractometer. 2) Make sure wort is adequately oxygenated prior to fermentation. I started adding pure oxygen since I ran into this issue and my fementations have started much faster and stronger than before. 3) Double check yeast pitching rates prior to making a starter.
     
  14. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    And also gently stir in your priming sugar solution.
     
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