Refunds for 2015 Regular BCBS and 2015 Prop

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  1. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    Just opened one of my bottles. No signs whatsoever of infection or off-flavors. Tastes incredible!

    Bottle info on this one:

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  2. lionssoccer13

    lionssoccer13 Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2011 Florida

    Just opened a 10/21 (14.3%) and if thats not an infection, I would concede my cellar. Very sour tasting and heavily carbed. I opened a bottle dated 9/30 (13.7%) right after and it was solid. I remember it tasting a bit better around Black Friday and the holidays, when I consumed a bunch of them, but that could have just been the excitement of the times clouding my memory. In any case there seems to be something to the 10/21 date. As a person who dropped the ball reporting my BCBCS and BCBW I hope GI takes care of this one. I can stand being out $50-60 on beer (the experience of Black Friday alone was worth that much) but with the regular added on I'm well over a $100 here.
  3. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,578) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    Yikes man, that's pretty rough if you had 3 different infected variants!
  4. maximum12

    maximum12 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,500) Jan 21, 2008 Minnesota
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    Oh, so you're attributing motivations to everyone who has ever reviewed an infected/off beer? You couldn't possibly know the motivations of all those people. My reviews reflect the experience of the beer in front of me - no more, no less. It's not punitive. It's how the beer tastes. If a brewer screwed up, my review is going to reflect that. Reviews are not, & should not, be all puppies & sunshine if the beer is terrible.
  5. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,083) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I can understand not using the word infected in a beer review. What I don't understand is not being honest about what you taste in a beer, or being hesitant to review a beer that doesn't fit with the other reviewers' observations, or there being a prohibition against reviewing beer unless it is definitely not infected. I use the reviews as a tool for choosing beer, it would seem that the rule you mention impedes my ability to find out info that would help me make a better choice.

    If it has flaw(s) not mentioned in other reviews does that mean no review?

    If it is a foam-over bottle, maybe from fusarium, but tastes okay, do we not score it down for that? Do we not review that beer at all?

    Rules are rules, and I always abide, and infections happen so infrequently I don't see this as a big issue, but I certainly don't agree with the rule, and I think, judging by past discussions, the majority of folks are of same opinion
  6. Steban

    Steban Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 North Carolina

    I had a Prop '15 on Saturday and it definitely tasted sour. Had one on Sunday and it tasted great. All of the regular BCBS's I have drank have been excellent. I would be pissed if there is an infection on regular because I have a case and a half.
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  7. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,916) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    OK to review infected beers.
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  8. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,578) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    See, my thought is:

    If you know/are relatively sure the beer is infected, giving it a numerical review is dishonest to the purpose of the numerical review. Now, I suppose here on BA there's no real purpose to a non-numerical review, because people probably won't see it anyway. I'm just of the mind that grading an infected beer outside of saying "this beer smells and tastes infected. It sucks, so beware" is simply skewing the beer's ratings/ranking in a way that I don't find helpful. But given the responses in this thread, it seems to be helpful to a lot of other people, so I suppose I'm in the minority here. Fully rating an infected beer doesn't help me because I essentially have two choices:

    1) Buy the beer and hope it's not infected (in which case I'm buying based on the people describing the non-infected version)

    2) Not buy the beer (in which case giving the infected version a 1 for taste doesn't help, because I'm passing because the non-infected version doesn't sound worth my money)

    To me, the numerical rankings should rate beers based on their best-case; IPAs should be ranked when fresh, and all beers should be ranked when not infected. But again, I see that I'm an idealist on this one; either way hopefully people aren't getting upset on either side of the ratings debate.
  9. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,083) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    My point is if no one mentions flavors that might be infected but definitely are bad, subsequent readers of that beer's reviews will see nothing wrong, and those people will buy the beer, be dissatisfied, not review it, the next folks read the reviews, see nothing wrong, buy the beer, don't review it...

    Does not reviewing these beers make any sense to anyone? To not review bad beer is it really other than a wink and a nod to the brewery that, don't worry, your secret is safe with us, we won't let the cat out of the bag?
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  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,142) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I review infected beers. Mikkeller big blend was a gushing mess that was thin bodied and tasted like shit. It deserved the rating I gave it. Not many other reviews reflected my experience, but a few ba's were squeaking about it in the forums. If more people had the same experience I wish they had shared it through a review.
  11. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania

    I'm opening one of mine this weekend. I'll report back.
  12. TomClem

    TomClem Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2012 Nebraska

    was there ever a comprehensive list of BCBCS and BCBBW bottling dates? I think it would be interesting to overlay those dates with the these BCBS infection reports.
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  13. jrnyc

    jrnyc Pooh-Bah (2,916) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Those dates had nothing to do with anything.
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  14. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,471) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana

    There weren't any known kegs of BCBCS or BCBBW that were infected. It's been only a bottle issue to my knowledge.
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  15. TBlightning

    TBlightning Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2013 Florida

    Just opened one, purchased in Sarasota with October 21st date, it's infected.
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  16. SeanBond

    SeanBond Pooh-Bah (2,578) Jul 30, 2013 Illinois
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    I agree with that sentiment, just not the numerical portion. But yes, we should definitely let the word out in general.
  17. TomClem

    TomClem Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2012 Nebraska

    I had heard the same, but thought it was odd that no kegs of BCBCS or BCBBW came to Omaha for Migration Weekend (we did see kegs BCBS, RegalRye, Prop14 bottles BCBS, Prop, BCBCS 14). I'm watching migration weeks to see if a pattern develops.
  18. mjmcdonough73

    mjmcdonough73 Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2014 Florida

    Florida again - JUST did a side by side of 10/21 bottling vs 9/30 bottling.


    10/21 a tart cherry mess. Not undrinkable but not as delicious and perfect as the 9/30 I'm drinking next to it.
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  19. ukwildcat1995

    ukwildcat1995 Initiate (0) May 24, 2015 Florida

    I just opened a bottle dated 10/21 that I purchased on Black Friday at the Total Wine University in Sarasota. I either have a non-infected bottle or in too stupid to notice the off flavors. All I taste is bourbon goodness. Not saying anything about anyone else, just my opinion on this one bottle on front of me.
  20. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,304) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I expect that by now GI is well aware of this thread so must be getting an inkling that there is an issue at least with Florida shipments from 10/21, and possibly other dates and locations. Whether they admit and refund these, who knows. The main thing I wonder is what they'll say publicly by next November to restore confidence. If they say nothing, or say they don't know what happened, then I have to think sales will be impacted. If they at least come out and say they had a problem, believe they know the issue, and have taken steps to avoid and detect - then I'll be back. Otherwise I'd be inclined to skip a year or at least wait and see what others report.
  21. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania

    If they don't do anything about this, I'm probably done with them.
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  22. graaaypes

    graaaypes Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2016 Florida

    Saw this thread today on Reddit, I traded for around 6 barleywines this year (before the infection came to light) and all of those were a hot mess. I kinda dug the weird sour cherry flavor but they weren't what they should be.

    Now, all the infection on regular BCBS stuff seems to be centered around Tampa/Sarasota correct? I'm chilling a 10/21 bottle I have had since purchase in Jacksonville,FL on Black Friday for a more north Florida perspective. Will report back after.
  23. PA-Michigander

    PA-Michigander Grand Pooh-Bah (3,248) Nov 10, 2013 Pennsylvania
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    While I don't doubt Florida necessarily it's surely odd that all reports, in this thread are from Florida. If anyone has a bottle they are sure are infected I'd love to give one a shot and will provide label.
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  24. Vitamin_Hop

    Vitamin_Hop Pundit (776) Mar 26, 2015 Illinois

    Did the state of Florida not approve a request from AB-Inbev for any sort of plant production? It is just so strange how centered this infection has become
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  25. Jroden5446

    Jroden5446 Initiate (0) Oct 7, 2015 Florida

    11/04 dated bottles bought in Miami at TW. Tasted fine, been stored at 50/55 degrees since purchase.
  26. TampaRainman

    TampaRainman Initiate (0) Feb 17, 2014 Florida

    I'm not sure if this muddies the waters but after reading this thread I popped a bottle tonight. It's dated 10/21. I bought it from a Tampa/St. Pete area shop.

    It's delicious.

    Tastes just like it did on release day. Has been in my fridge since Black Friday for whatever that's worth. I'm a doctor, not a microbiologist damnit. Okay, I'm not a doctor either.

    I hope that--selfishly and for everyone's sake--the issue is fairly isolated. Bummed to hear you ended up on the sour side @mxracercam . I have no clue if any of the rest of my bottles are good, but one has your name on it when you make it back up here. Hope all is well down there hombre.
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  27. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Thanks man. Luckily I decided not to buy as much this year, likely because of the larger format. I still have a ton of <15 BCBS so I'm all set. How about you come down here and drink some of my beer? :slight_smile:
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  28. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania


    Maybe the warmer climate accelerated the infection. Maybe it's mostly bottles that were filled on 10/21, most of which went to FL? Could be a lot of reasons.
  29. ClavisAurea

    ClavisAurea Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2008 New York

    So I'm having the above mentioned beer right now and have nothing but deliciousness to report. No off flavors, overcarbonation or anything funky in my bottle. Looks like the NY supply is solid for now. Cheers all!
  30. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,471) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana

    Unless the bottles are the sole source of infection for any variant you should be 100% fine saving it for your wedding. Rare 2015 spent two years in barrels. It isn't the 2015 BCBS base.
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  31. TboneRN

    TboneRN Initiate (0) Mar 30, 2014 Minnesota

    Should we move this thread to the South-Atlantic forum?
  32. north_1

    north_1 Initiate (0) Dec 23, 2013 Florida

    Bought a case + 1 bottle on Black Friday. All dated 10/21. Drank 3 up until early March - all fine and delicious. Popped 2 over the past few nights. 0/2 - infected as hell. Pure sour and tart. I have 8 left and would assume all others are infected.
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  33. graaaypes

    graaaypes Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2016 Florida

    Purchased at Beer:Thirty
    10/21 1751

    Man it's really bad
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  34. KBS

    KBS Initiate (0) Apr 25, 2014 Michigan

    11/10/15 tasting good here tonight.
  35. Sturgeon83

    Sturgeon83 Initiate (0) Mar 11, 2015 Kentucky

    Just cracked one from 11/10, still great.
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  36. 3-Ball

    3-Ball Initiate (0) Jul 8, 2014 Georgia

    Currently drinking a bottle that was purchased in SC and it's doing just fine. Bottle date is 10/6 and time stamp is 0834.
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  37. Hwk-I-St8

    Hwk-I-St8 Initiate (0) Jan 22, 2016 Iowa

    Mine are 11/4. Betting they're fine, but I think I'll open one this weekend just for fun. Maybe I'll open a 13 or 14 too...
  38. flexmagli

    flexmagli Initiate (0) Jul 22, 2015 Florida

    Just popped 10/21. Infected. Bought in Sarasota or Orlando.
  39. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,142) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Temperature has everything to do with how an infection progresses. Why do you think temp control is used with lactobacillus souring? Lacto prefers warmer temps. A bottle kept at room temp will exhibit signs of infection faster than the same contaminated beer kept in a fridge.
  40. mxracercam

    mxracercam Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2014 Pennsylvania


    But either way, the beer is still infected. I'd rather find out sooner than later, wouldn't you?
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