Remembering How to Enjoy Beer

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  1. Egglands_Beast

    Egglands_Beast Initiate (102) Nov 23, 2016 Rhode Island

    So it seems like the bigger problem is quantity over quality with a lot of breweries. No one wants to miss out on a beer because they couldn't get a pint before it's rotated out. And nobody wants to get a pint of something lame and have that be it for the day. Both of those problems can be fixed with sample trays, which have all the problems mentioned in the article. Or they can be fixed by brewing and perfecting fewer, higher quality beers.
     
  2. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I hear ya, but for most small brewers they really can't really afford to dump avg./ok beers and not recover some revenue from the time and costs sunk into it. Perhaps smaller batch sizes for 1st tries at something is a better route. And most locals/beer tourists will still thinks decent craft because they don't know much better.
     
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  3. XpL0d3r

    XpL0d3r Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2016 New York

    I 110% disagree here. Just because there is more than one beer in front of me, does not mean I cannot hold a good conversation. If anything, it brings more to the table to discuss.
     
  4. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I think the article, while well intentioned and touching at a real problem in the craft beer scene, misses the mark by virtue of oversimplifying things.

    I think the premise of the article is summed up there and thats where it misses the mark. Sure, the sampler can be abused as a ticker's paradise, but if thats true, then the even bigger offenders are craft beer fests where people get 20 - 25 tickets for a 2-3 oz pour of a beer that, after 4 or 5, they can't possibly be truly tasting. (I rarely go to beer fests and greatly prefer "tasting" new beers in breweries/bars/pubs so draw your own inferences on how I tend to feel about beer fests).

    From my point of view, the sampler serves a beneficial role in allowing a patron to get a bird's eye view of a breweries offerings. This is especially useful when traveling and you might not get to return to a place, but want to try a variety of their offerings. I know I personally appreciate a sampler when I'm traveling and stop in a brewery. It allows me to try a few beers and then pick one or two to get full pours of. Has nothing to do with "ticking" but rather using what may be a one time opportunity to try a variety of the brewery's offerings. This is especially useful where a brewery may have 5, 6, 7, or even more styles on tap. This allows you to try a few samples of the styles you (may) like. I tend not to order samplers if its a brewery I've been too before and thus know what I like (and don't like) or if its a place I'll likely return to again.

    I think the article's argument carries a bit more weight if you apply it to bars that have 12 taps of local/national craft options and offer samplers of those. Personally, it doesn't bother me, but, I can see it. That being said, there is a pub near my house that offers 5oz - 8oz "half-pours" of the beers on tap (depends on style) and I will say I really appreciate that. Sometimes I just want to try a smaller amount of a beer with dinner and to not drink too much, or have the chance to try a beer without investing too much. So, smaller pours can be beneficial.
     
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  5. GoldenWort

    GoldenWort Devotee (310) Apr 17, 2009 Pennsylvania

    "I think the premise of the article is summed up there and thats where it misses the mark. Sure, the sampler can be abused as a ticker's paradise, but if thats true, then the even bigger offenders are craft beer fests where people get 20 - 25 tickets for a 2-3 oz pour of a beer that, after 4 or 5, they can't possibly be truly tasting."

    I'm surprised it took this long for someone to make this point... Beer fests are a completely different "experience" than the act of "experiencing" a beer... But they have become part of the culture of tics and hype... How much can a two ounce pour change or open up as it warms or as the head fades?
     
  6. KevSal

    KevSal Pooh-Bah (2,940) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    wow this is the most comments i've seen on an article lol.

    i like sample pours. and if i have the time to stay longer i pick my favorite sample and order a full pint of that one.

    you really only need to do it once too. my first time at russian river i got the sampler, have never ordered it since, i go often enough to know what type of beer i like and don't like from them.
     
  7. keilerdunkel

    keilerdunkel Savant (1,014) Apr 8, 2004 Illinois
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    A lot of vitriol for a difference of opinion.

    Relax...
    have a beer...
    any size of your choice.

    I don't order samplers, generally. At this point, I don't really give a f@ if I try everything offered on tap or get to try every limited release. If I do get samplers, its to decide which beer that I would like to have a full pour (or half). I order beers that I know I will enjoy, or at least think I will. Full size is best from my perspective. YMMV

    Bar visit vs festival samplers -- really an apple to orange comparison. (I get if you are hitting a brewery for the first/only time).

    It's funny how what was old is new again- pint and half pints have been on sale at many pubs for many many years.
     
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  8. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,183) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    I think you need to relax.
    While I hate the term FOMO (and the meaning behind it) - it's quite the millennial term used very often on the forums.
     
  9. ecpho

    ecpho Savant (1,183) Mar 28, 2011 New York

    I think flights are terrible for tasting beers, especially if any of them a very hoppy. Your palate can't adjust. I like my local where they also serve 10oz glasses for $3-$4. You get more time to taste and enjoy a beer - not just to get that tick off.
     
  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I enjoy a sampler tray when visiting a new brewery, especially if it is a brewery that has just opened and I want to get the chance to see what they are offering (assuming there are 4-6 beers I'm interested in trying).

    On the other hand, I'm a huge fan of the 1/2 pour (6 or 8 oz at most places based on ABV) because it allows me to enjoy a couple of options to pair with different courses of dinner and still be able to drive home safely.
     
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  11. Obxer

    Obxer Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2015 Virginia

    Give us a break. Just another "this is the right way you must drink your beer" article. Maybe the particular beer in that sampler glass doesn't meet its full potential if it were to be poured as a pint, but many of us enjoy it just the same and do get more than a glimpse of what the brewer intended and made. If I only have one chance to visit a brewery, then you can be sure I am going to get the sampler so I can taste a broad array of what they have to offer. To suggest that is wrong is just plain stupid and elitist. If I go again, I'll likely have a larger glass... or perhaps an 8 oz. pour... or maybe even more samplers. And I am supposed to rely on the author's own opinion to conclude that I am not getting the enjoyment and experience I am looking for? Please. And you can't socialize while having a sampler? Sorry, but that's your own deficiency... don't project that on the rest of us.
     
  12. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    I appreciate the perspective of the author of the article. I've read through many of the comments, and they have helped me to better understand how I feel about this topic.

    It seems to me there is a fine line between 'suggesting' the best way to drink a beer and 'requiring' that I drink it that way. I appreciate suggestions, but I don't appreciate it when someone intentionally tries to limit me to doing something 'their' way because 'they' (whether the brewer, or not) think it's 'the best way'.

    As others have posted, let me decide what's best for me.
     
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  13. MoFro

    MoFro Devotee (307) Sep 4, 2011 Norway

    To navigate today's jungle of beer selections is futile. Rather than chasing every single collaboration, one of, special, barrel aged, dry hopped, wild yeast, zig zag across the equator beer with a rock bands name on it (I tried, not possible), I support the idea of enjoying the one right in front of you. Having a big enough glass so that the first few drops of to cold sparkling sips have the time to become a better tempered beer where the carbonation has settled to a calmer level. Cheers!
     
  14. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    I've been drinking Chinese loose-leaf tea for many years. Most tea sellers will give you a recommended steeping time and temperature to brew/drink the tea at. I often start brewing/drinking it that way. However, when I experiment with different steeping times and temperatures, I often find brewing/drinking it differently than what the tea seller suggests works better for me.

    Suggestions on how to enjoy my beer are welcome; requirements are not. Please let me choose how I want to enjoy my beer.
     
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  15. David_Deas

    David_Deas Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2016 North Carolina

    Probably one of the most pointless articles I've skimmed in a long time, aimed at addressing a non-existing problem.

    Just when you thought craft beer couldn't become any more snobbish, as always, Beer Advocate leads the way forward.
     
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  16. hugod

    hugod Aspirant (235) Mar 16, 2014 Illinois

    I both agree with the article and the assessment of Celtic76 and a few others. Simply banging through samplers will never allow you to appreciate the beers, especially if tasting contrasting styles. But there is absolutely a value to the tasters, specifically when used to help in selecting a full pour or when visiting one of the upper echelon breweries with local offerings not available in your market.

    One of the first breweries I've found to do it right (imo) is Ballast Point. I had the privileged of visiting their Little Italy tasting room recently, where they will pour 4 oz tastes into their Stella style chalices (dependent on which bartender was pouring, I had a few measure at 6 oz). This was an excellent option for preserving intended tastes and aromas and after trying a few, I ordered full pints of the ones I enjoyed most.

    I really hope this becomes the evolution of the tasters.
     
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  17. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I do find it ironic that many of these comments are accusing the author of being snobby when he was arguing in the article, however imperfectly, to make beer drinking less snobby.
     
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  18. lionelhutz23

    lionelhutz23 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Florida

    Well you can't have it both ways and say just have a pint and enjoy yourself (non-snobby) and then say ohhh yeah if you're drinking samplers you're doing it wrong (snobby).

    When I go to a brewery the people getting samplers normally are from out of town or appear to be casual beer drinkers just wanting to try a number of beers. The people with samplers appear to be the least snobby people there. I've never seen anyone with a sampler sitting alone making notes about the beers like some sort of troll.

    I order samplers all the time but must have super powers allowing me to sit and talk to the person across me about whatever subject we want along with our thoughts on the beers. Maybe I'm just unique and the rest of the world has a genetic malformity causing an inability to speak to others unless they have pint glass in front of them.
     
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  19. Cooper_E

    Cooper_E Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2013 North Carolina

    Flights are fun. Beer is fun. Arguing with strangers on the internet is definitely fun. You guys are alright.
     
  20. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Beats a 10 oz pour into an 8 oz glass
    Seriously though,do we want to play at beer or drink it? After all,it's a safe and tasty substitute for water. That's why it was invented.
     
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