I have a 2013 Remy's Pappy and several BCBS that I would like to trade for BA Abraxas, however I'm hearing that this will likely not be enough. How much more do I need to get this done? Any advice or leads for a trade are appreciated!
I don't see a lot of ISO for Remy's Pappy, but I'd give it the equivalent of 1/2 BA Abraxas, give or take. So you need something for the other 1/2. Several BCBS won't be enough. You'll likely have to list what you have that are close to or around Remy's Pappy and let the person pick. Even then, there's no guarantees. People with BA Abraxas are looking to trade 1:1 for something similar, like a DB Hunah or a few of the latest rave like Prop + Vanilla. Good luck!
Unless I'm thinking of the wrong beer, Pappy's Remy went 1:1 with DBH several times this year, though admittedly there were more bottles of DBH floating around when those trades went down. Yes I agree Pappy's adds but certainly not something at the same level.
It may be somewhere in between, Mark. It's probably more fair with a good +, but something close to that level would give a much better chance. I just don't see a lot of ISO for Remy's Pappy. Here's one that closed pretty quickly: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-remys-pappy-rum-bt-iso-assassin-14.228178/. This one I'm not sure happened: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-remys-pappy-sloambic-iso-assassin-14.227345/ . I think of Assassin as a little less than BA Abraxas, especially at the time of these postings. Maybe @Zack_B can help with what he was able to get for his: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-remys-pappy-iso-list.222904/ .
Remy's did go 1:1 with dbh. I even made one of those trades, but that was right when DBH came out after hunahpu day. I haven't seen remy's go 1:1 with dbh in a a long time. Remy's trade value plummeted after a few months of it being released, not sure why because that beer is delicious. I'd say you would need to add something solid like a vanilla rye but 2x remy would be too much, although it would most likely get done.
Thanks for the tag @mythaeus. In that post I traded Remy's Pappy 1:1 with Le Sarrasin. Earlier in the year (around May or so), I traded DBH 1:1 for Remy's Pappy, and then at the end of June I did the inverse of that trade, but had to add Mexican Cake to get it done. It seems that for whatever reason the value really dipped in the July/August range. Supply and demand I guess. With regard's specifically to OP's question, I think you would have to add something very solid; I don't think a few regular BCBS gets it done. I'd put the value at roughly the equivalent of Prop+ (http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...tout-pre-iso-remys-pappy.230202/#post-2990578), and it seems you need Prop, Vanilla and a Coffee or two to nail down a BA Abraxas (http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...-iso-prop-14-vanilla-rye-1-bcs-coffee.235506/). Hopefully this was a bit insightful...
Thanks to everyone for your responses, and to mythaeus for kicking off the discussion! I'm seeing exactly what OleDixie suggested in that I would likely need to have a second bottle of equal value (or a hefty +) to pull BA Abraxas. I don't have any of the BC variants mentioned, however I have (1) DDG which I saw listed as equal value to Remy's in Zack_B 's trade. The challenge I'm facing (and I'm sure many others as well) is that I have about (24) wish list beers (e.g., KBBS, MD, VSB, KRE, Sort Maelk) yet to try, which will take a ton of high value beers to trade. I have a few decent beers I'm willing to part with, however it's been interesting trying to decipher each of their relative values. Some include BA Old Numbskull, Sucuba, 17, Schaerbeekse Kriek, Wanderer, BT, Arthur, BA Biscotti Break, Uncle Jacob, and Rumkin. Are these about half the value of a Remy's? I see a lot of action for BCBS (understanding the recent release is a factor); would I be able to trade quantity (i.e., multiple 4-packs) for any of the bigger beers? Any additional advice would be great! Thanks again for the help!
Schraebeekse and DDG are both more than 1/2 the BA Abraxas. I got my BA Abraxas with a '08 Schraebeekse and Iris. The others are somewhere in between 1/4 and 1/3. (A side note, I love regular Abraxas, but I'm not a fan of BA Abraxas). BCBS is widely distro'ed. Unless it's an ungodly quantity, you'll need combo of bigger ammo for bigger beers. If your goal is to tick these beers, I feel that a local tasting group may be a better route.
Thank you for the value info, which is very helpful! Would (16) to (20) 2013 or 2014 BCBS qualify as "ungodly"? That's a lot of great beer for singles, but to your point the beer has mass distribution. Never checked out the tasting groups; may be a false impression, but are these the Robitussin cup servings? And I have to admit, for me there's something rewarding about having that empty bottle after drinking an exceptional, rare beer! That said, I'll definitely check out that option, as several of the beers on my list fall into the tick category. Thank you!
The way I usually think about it is that BA Abraxas trades similarly to DB Huna (although DBH has been trading slightly higher). Both of these trades for about $80 of limited/harder to get beers like Remy's Pappy. With larger distro'ed beers like BCBS, you'll need/want 1.5x so $120 so 16-20 is around the range. It's neither "fair" nor guaranteed that you will land anything though. I have several people I share with once in a while and/or weekly. I try to keep these shares to 3-5 persons. This is the key to keeping the pours sizable/enjoyable. A 750ml is about 25oz so you get a nice pour with that size of bottle. 22oz bombers aren't bad either. 12oz still gets you 2-4 oz depending on the #. What I generally ask is each person brings a beer of similar trade value (or somewhat close) to the table. Sometimes we do 1 person brings a big beer, the others bring "medium", then we rotate. This is rough, not exact or strict each time. These people are either my friends or local traders I've traded with and we hit if off. A good example is that I'm getting a Coffee Abraxas and I know 3 people really want to try this. I'm going to have a share centered around that in January with them. I ask that they bring the beer(s) they'd be willing to trade for a Coffee Abraxas to share, preferably something on my Wants. Even if whatever they're bringing won't likely land a Coffee Abraxas, I know they will come close. What I love about this approach is that no one will "lose" anything, but instead everyone wins in that you'll get to try so many great beers, more than a Coffee Abraxas could ever bring you in a trade. Together we've been able to knock off Cable Car, KBBS, BVDL, BA Abraxas, DB Huna, BA Mex Cakes, Art b3, etc. this way. The Catch 22 here is that you personally will have to sometimes trade for a big beer for such a share. Sometimes you have to pool together to land a big one. This doesn't mean that you can't put up your DDG+ or Remy's Pappy+ for a local share looking for someone who has BA Abraxas in the mean time.
Sounds like a great set up! Smaller groups would definitely be more appealing to me for the reasons you outline. Not quite there yet with a tight circle of traders/enthusiasts, as I'm new to trading, but I will keep an eye out over time. I'll see what combos seem reasonable for big trades on my short list beers, and if I run short, I'll try a quantity offer. Time, and the crickets (or lack thereof) will tell! I really appreciate all your insights mythaeus! Thanks again!
My first attempt at a BA Abraxas trade is for Remy's Pappy, Chocolate Rain, and Cherry Adam ftW. We'll see what happens! Thanks again for everyone's advice!
