Reporting Old Beer

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  1. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Question for anyone who knows the answer. First I want to explain my situation. I live in a veritable craft beer wasteland in rural South Georgia. I say that to drive home my point that finding a good bottle shop in my area is next to impossible. So here is my issue. There is one local bottle shop in my area that actually has a decent selection of craft beer, BUT there are MANY outdated beers sitting on the shelf here. I am almost positive that this issue lies with the distributor in the area. I've brought up the issue to the owner of the bottle shop on several occasions and he tells me that he keeps telling the distributor but the distributor just shrugs off the issue. This shop still has original Ruination on the shelf! And Stone Enjoy By 12.25.2015 at full price!!!! I know that Stone has a website specifically for reporting old beer, which I have done so. My biggest issue is with the old Lagunitas on the shelf. Lagunitas Sucks is one of my favorite readily available beers but I haven't bought any in almost a year. This bottle shop has Lagunitas on the shelf from last November. NOVEMBER!!!!!!! I often wonder how many times an unsuspecting customer has bought one of these old six packs of Sucks and never buys it again because they think it is horrible. There are other examples as well, but to keep my story short, does Lagunitas have a website like Stone to report old beer? Or am I just SOL when it comes to ever thinking I will ever enjoy a bottle of fresh Sucks again? HELP!!!!
     
  2. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Sounds like the owner is stuck in the middle of this, and may have no leverage on the distributor they depend on. If they pressure the distributor, it could make it difficult to get anything good and/or the owner may get stuck with some of the cost of returning beer. Sad to say but you and others, through not purchasing old beer, need to put pressure on the owner to stand up to the distributor. The owner does have the ability to flush out the old beer at cost or below by putting it out in a clearance area - but it sounds like they may not be engaging that practice. They need to treat shelf space as valuable real estate filled only with marketable product - otherwise they will not survive as a beer shop. Maybe they make most of their money on fast-moving macro, liquor, and wine and can afford to leave the beer aging.

    This reminds me of a magazine stand I used to frequent back in the 90's. I went there for a monthly magazine which was entirely computer parts ads, so it needed to be current. The stand refused to put out a new issue of any magazine until the previous issues sold, ensuring that anything time-sensitive was useless. The stand didn't last long since their magazines were largely out of date.
     
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  3. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    You're absolutely right. The majority of sales at this place are from liquor. The owner knows little to nothing about craft beer, in fact he doesn't even drink beer. The reason he even carries all the beer he has now is because a bunch of my buddies and I asked him to start ordering beer for us.
     
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  4. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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  5. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Maybe next time your are in and owner isn't busy, let him know that certain beers aren't moving off his shelf well, explain the best by date issue and hoppy beers. Let him know he is carrying world class IPAs and would be great for him to keep carrying them if possible but see if the distributor is willing to give him less quantity than in the past to ensure the product moves off the shelves before best by dates. Most likely the distributor will require a certain larger quantity, but its worth asking. Anything to promote better beer for little required effort seems worth doing IMO.
     
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    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

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    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    A few of my drinking buddies and I have already addressed this issue with him, on multiple occasions. As I said before, craft beer is a very small percentage of sales in this store and I don't think the owner realizes how big of an issue this is. It seems to me that the problem is the distributor is dumping old beer in this location. I have personally witnessed a new shipment coming in with IPA's dated from February and this happened only a few weeks ago. It just sucks that options are SOOOO limited in this area or else I would boycott the store completely. That's not an option unless I want to give up drinking beer completely or switch to Bud Light... :slight_frown:
     
  8. ericwo

    ericwo Zealot (624) Aug 21, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    About a year ago I purchased a case of DFH Tweason'ale for my wife who can only drink gluten free beer. As soon as I opened the case I noticed the bottle-on date on the bottles and they were a year old. I immediately took the case back to the distributor for a full refund and sent an e-mail to DFH to let them know which distributor was selling their beer out of date. I got two e-mails back from DFH, one from someone in marketing, and one from their regional sales rep, both apologizing for the incident. Not sure if they ever followed up with the distributor, but I was satisfied with DFH's prompt response. And I don't shop at that beer store anymore.
     
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  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    If all else fails you can adopt a PA solution to the problem.

    Here in PA, until fairly recently, most beer was sold by the case only. So you and your buddies order beer by the case but tell the retailer, in advance, that your purchase is conditional upon the beer being fresh (i.e., you'll not purchase it if not fresh). Then the retailer will have a motivation to accept delivery only on fresh beer with minimal handling involved and the distributor will have a motivation to ship him only fresh beer if he refuses to accept delivery on old beer. (Also keep in mind that he may actually have to order a certain total number of cases from the distributor to even get a shipment at all.)

    You can get around not wanting to buy a full case each at one time by agreeing in advance that each person will order a case of a different beer and then you all will swop bottles until each has a mixed variety case.

    One caution however, is to not have any money change hands between you and your biddies AFTER the purchases have been made from the beer store. (Most if not all states and the Federal Gvt have laws in place that require you have a license to sell beer to receive money from others for that beer. Making a profit or not is irrelevant.)
     
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  10. Bigrock

    Bigrock Maven (1,301) Feb 4, 2013 Texas
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    I feel your pain OP. One decent shop for hundreds of miles in my area and things can sit for a long time. I am only able to get in about once every month or two and some beers seem not to have moved at all in that time. The HEB where I grocery shop puts out lots of seasonals and some locals, so I can get some reasonably fresh there.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @Hayden34, my advice to you and your buddies: start homebrewing and form a homebrew club.

    No beer is fresher than homebrew!!:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
  12. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Sorry I didn't read your original post clearly. It seems strange that this store is the best craft beer spot in the area and the distributor is unloading old beer to this particular store. So the real Scooby Doo mystery is what stores in this distribution area are getting the fresh craft beer? That would be a tough nut to crack but would be interesting to find out.
     
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  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Seems like an ownership issue. If the distributor shows up with old beer you don't sign for it and make them haul it back. Then he needs to get with his sales rep. Being Craft is not paying his bills he's probably doing neither. You could point out to him every sixer of old beer will probably sit there forever until it expires and then it's a net loss for him, let him do the math. No distributor is pushing out past dated Enjoy Bys, and year old Sucks. It's obvious he hasn't a clue how to present craft to his customers.
     
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  14. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    The solution is simple: Move.
     
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  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    If ony it were true than no distributor pushes out old cases.

    On the other hand if it weren't the case that it happens I'd not have gotten a free case of beer from a particular wholesale distributer when I ordered a case of a particular APA from my retailer that showed up being from the previous year's bottling. :slight_smile:

    (In defense of my retailer the date coding on the bottle was one of the systems that required a decoder ring. Otherwise he's pretty good about not accepting delivery on old beer.)
     
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  16. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Way ahead of ya! I've been homebrewing for a couple years now and I agree.

    HA!!! I am working on that as we speak actually. I work for the DoD so I do a lot of moving anyway (I've lived in California, Hawaii, Georgia, and Mississippi in the last 10 years) so I am working on a transfer NOW! After moving back to GA after living in other "craft friendly" states, it really really sucks...
     
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  17. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Right. I witnessed this first hand a few weeks ago at this same bottle shop. A new delivery of Burnt Hickory Ezekial's Wheel showed up. Burnt Hickory is a local, small brewery who just so happen to hand write the bottle on date of every single sixer or four pack they sell. This particular case of Zeke was bottled on 02/15/2016. There's no excuse for that.
     
  18. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    That's the problem with living in a state like Georgia. There are only a handful of distributors that cover the entire state. I'd be willing to bet that the bigger cities up North (Atlanta, Macon, Athens, Savannah, etc) are getting the fresh stuff. Unfortunately for me, I live about 3 hours South of Atlanta. It's at least an hour to 45 minute drive in any direction to another decent craft beer store.
     
  19. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    What I'd do if I was you is to get together with my beer buds and take turns making a beer run for the group. This was everything would be shared, and I'd tell the local guy your done until he gets it right. He may or may not care, but it solves your problem. Buy a mixed case at a time of whatever is around.
     
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  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I'm sure it's done, there's always one of those. But any reputable and successful business wouldn't be run that way. Still an ownership problem if the above is true, he needs to know what he's buying and not accept old product. Could be he's a dumping ground for that particular sales rep to move old shit being the owner doesn't seem to care either way. So he either needs to do it right or just carry AAL stuff. Another case for dating all bottles and cans, I don't buy stuff you need a decoder ring to figure out.
     
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