Reusing painted Stone bottles...

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by GardenWaters, Apr 8, 2013.

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  1. GardenWaters

    GardenWaters Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Illinois

    I save all my bomber bottles to reuse to bottle my own brews. However, after looking at some of my Stone bottles, I noticed that there is a warning on them saying that the paint/ink on the bottles contains cadmium. If I wash these bottles in a large container (I usually wash my empties in a large cooler with soapy water), is there a chance of the cadmium coming off the bottles and ending up inside, assuming they aren't properly rinsed? If so, i dont want it to end up on my beer. Is this something I need to be concerned with, or am I over reacting? I would like to use them if I can, but I just want to play it safe.
     
  2. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    UNless the paint is chipping / flaking off, I doubt you have anything to worry about. Anything that will leach out of stuck paint is so tiny as to be nearly non-existant.
    I have a bunch of Stone bottles I've reused for homebrews several times over and have never had an issue with chipping or flaking.
    And the other side is.... make sure they;re properly rinsed before useing them.
     
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  3. mz3frs

    mz3frs Initiate (0) Oct 19, 2007 Pennsylvania

    You're probably over reacting. If you'd like, you can remove the paint by soaking in a 1oz:1gal solution of star-san for 24 hours, followed by some scrubbing.
     
  4. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    Have you done this or are you guessing? I know Star san is an acid and eventually it SHOULD work, but does it really?
     
  5. KingforaDay

    KingforaDay Pooh-Bah (2,445) Aug 5, 2010 New Jersey
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    Can someone explain to me how star san is good at removing the paint off of bottles but it is perfectly safe inside your bottle (after sanitizing) to mix with your beer before bottling? I would imagine its a concentration thing but i do get nervous seeing those foaming bubbles inside my bottle before i clamp that cap on.
     
  6. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    I wouldn't do this..... Cadmium is pretty darn toxic:

    http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/cadmium/index.html

    and, if you want spare bottles come visit me, I can give you some bottles that had paper labels that were washed off.
     
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  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I've heard hydrochloric acid works well to remove the paint. I know oxyclean and starsan haven't worked for me. I wouldn't bother.
     
  8. alysmith4

    alysmith4 Pooh-Bah (1,738) Feb 11, 2005 District of Columbia
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    Paint-thinner?
     
  9. barfdiggs

    barfdiggs Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2011 California

    When in doubt, recycle them. From lots of experience working with really toxic shit, the less exposure to anything bad, the better. I wouldn't doubt acetone would remove the paint, but in the end, if it were me I'd wouldn't chance any trace material ending up in your beer (I'm probably overly paranoid).

    Plus its your beer, do you want to serve it in bottles that look like they came from another brewery to save a little bit of money? (Note I reuse bottles profusely, just never really liked serving stuff from labeled brewery bottles).
     
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  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Last I checked, the paint is on the outside of the bottles...If you are really worried about the Cadmium leeching into your beer, modify your sanitation to only rinse the inside (instead of dunking the entire bottle).
     
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  11. Hands22

    Hands22 Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2011 Florida

    Just out of curiosity, does it say "state of California warning" or something along those lines? I know they label damn near everything that may or may not be toxic (I'm recalling cell phone labels about radiation). I've reused Stone bottles for homebrew without thinking twice about it. Unless you're eating the paint chips on a daily basis I can't imagine it would be an issue in your cleaning/sanitation cycle.
     
  12. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    I re-use stone bottles all the time. Never had an issue. And as Hands22 said, in Cali, everything causes cancer. :rolling_eyes:
     
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I use my stone bottles over and over. I'm still here and brewing. RDWHAHB!
     
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  14. GardenWaters

    GardenWaters Initiate (0) Jan 8, 2012 Illinois

    Ideally, I like to use bottles in which I can just peel the label off. The reason I was/am considering using said bottles is because I have so many of them laying about, I guess I always kept them because they look cool. But yeah, I know what your saying. I have two 5 gal batches of beer and a 5 gal batch of cider I am getting ready to bottle within the next week and need all the bottles I can get. I even actually considered using PET bottles simply because they are cheap and I can get them at my local Rural King.
     
  15. KevSal

    KevSal Pooh-Bah (2,940) Oct 17, 2010 California
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    If you feel it would be an issue I would steer clear of those bottles all together. Tell your beer friends to donate there empties to you. If I were close I'd get u a ton.
     
  16. Mag00n

    Mag00n Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2008 New York

    Sort of on topic, how many times do you guys re-use your bottles?
     
  17. sergeantstogie

    sergeantstogie Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2010 Washington

    'til they break.
     
  18. Reneejane

    Reneejane Initiate (0) Jan 15, 2004 Illinois

    indefinitely. I haven't had one break, yet, but, I would definitely take a broken bottle out of circulation.
     
  19. Jtc2811

    Jtc2811 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    Sometimes you can get an infected bottle, too. I do beers with fresh fruit and spices, and once.in a long while one bottle will consistently end in a gusher. When that happens I mark it, and if it happens again it gets tossed.

    I'm not about to autoclave it, so I just toss it, but a sixer and make a new bottle.
     
  20. emount91

    emount91 Initiate (0) Aug 28, 2015 Connecticut

    reviving an oooooold thread because I am curious, have they done away with the cadmium on the bottles now? i dont see this warning on any of their bottles anymore.
     
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